Dave M's Insider Internet Dating - IID

[HeartBoy]

I rarely feel a need to write a review, unless something is really good or really bad. In this case it's a bad one.

This is a long post, if you want to read through it feel free, but to sum up, I sent the CD back a week ago for a refund and haven't received any kind of contact from IID. There is no customer support at all, I'll be lucky to see my $97 again....

I followed Dave M's system exactly and only got 1 date out of a possible 30 attractive women, and that 1 turned out to be built like a linebacker...

Don't waste your time with online dating.
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I've been out of the PU scene for a while, and work mostly nights and weekends so I don't have much time to go out and pick up, so I thought I'd give internet dating a try. I had tried it years ago and had some success, but when I found Insider Internet Dating I thought my success would go through the roof! But sadly it didn't.

When the package arrived I couldn't wait to tear it open and dive right in, but once I popped in the cd I was surprised by how little content there seemed to be. A few audio clips, and a few video clips for setting up your profile, emails and how to go about getting the phone number etc. all in all I'd say about 3-4 hours worth of content. From the super long introduction on the website I was expecting over 10+ hours of content, but I guess that's what good marketing is all about.

I went through the entire program before setting up an online profile, and then went through it again as I was setting up my profile and sending out the emails. I followed the steps exactly, and didn't copy and past Dave M's words, I changed things to make it my own wording as he suggested, but the general ideas were the same.

Now let me digress for a minute here by saying that I do not live in Miami, NY or LA where there are tens of thousands of single women. I live in Central PA where there are maybe a few hundred, and out of those I only found 30 through the online site that were attractive to me (slim, athletic bodies, girls who don't smoke and don't have kids...)

So I sent out 30 emails, only 2 of which responded. I did as the program suggested and followed up with the email requesting for the phone number. One of them gave me the phone number, the other said something like "let's talk in a few weeks" which to me signaled a flake and I scratched her out.

The one who gave me the phone number I actually went out on a date with, but I didn't realize that "athletic and toned" to a girl meant that she could be a starting linebacker for the New York Giants. Seriously her biceps were bigger than my thighs, I didn't see her again because that's not the type of girl I want.

So out of 30 initial emails sent out following Dave M's steps I got 1 date with a linebacker type girl. Not what I would call a success.

Now the 28 girls who didn't respond to my initial email, they got Dave's "Can't miss follow up email" ...well that missed big time. I only got 4 responses from those girls all saying that they weren't interested.

I felt like I followed Dave's program exactly and gave it a fair shot, but didn't see any results. So I sent it back requesting for a refund. Here's where it gets interesting...

I emailed customer support (and Dave M) 4 times asking for refund details before getting a response. I finally got a response from Dave with him saying that since I sent out 30 emails and got 2 responses that I was doing pretty well, and that I needed to send out a TON more...but there just simply aren't any more attractive women in my area. Once I told Dave the story about the linebacker and there aren't anymore attractive women in my area he didn't respond to any more of my emails.

At the time of writing this review, I had sent back the CD for a refund over a week ago and haven't received any kind of confirmation or any info regarding my request. I have sent out 5 emails and so far no response...

To sum up, unless you live in a major metropolitan city, and are willing to spend the time to send out thousands of emails, don't bother trying online dating. And don't waste your money on Dave M's product, there is no customer support at all and there isn't much on the cd that you can't get from reading Dave M's or David D's newsletters (which are free).

[SAINT730]

Hey heartboy. Im new to the forum. I also purchased that same dvd, from david m, total waste of time, and i would never do online dating. Either hirls just want to have a relationship online, writing back & forth, or when i went out with two of the girls, 1 was fat, and 1 turned out to be a f---ing psycho!

Saint730

[HeartBoy]

I'm glad someone else agrees with me, hopefully the word will get out and other guys will be able to save their time and money.

I'm trying to get my money back, but can't get any response from anyone at IID.

Did you request a refund? PM me if you have any ideas about getting the money back because I don't know what to do now after sending in 6 emails and getting no responses.

heartboy

[Mungojerry]

I also own this product. As someone who has done a very large amount of online gaming, I think I'm in a good position to review it.

Basically it is my view that David M's product provides a reasonable system for gaming women in their mid 20s upwards if you are using Match.com. These are the only circumstances where I've used it to any success.

Going into more depth...

The System

David M's system is very rigid. Basically it involves sending one reasonably large opener - which will hopefully get a response. If it doesn't, then he has standard follow ups. Once you get a response, you then go for the number on the next message. If she gives it great, if not you send another message making fun of her a bit and hoping that she gives it to you then.

He then suggests how you should follow up with phone game and some tips for when you go on a date.

The good points of this are...
- It is easy to implement and shows you pretty much exactly what you need to do... something that other products, notably Grant Adam's Net 2 Bed, lack.
- When it works it doesn't waste time
- It does work in certain circumstances (in my experience women mid-twenties minimum and on Match.com).

The bad points are...
- It doesn't work with all age groups. In my experience it doesn't work on my main target group 25 and below.
- It doesn't work on all sites. In particular it doesn't work on Plenty of Fish (PoF), the world's (I think) biggest online dating site or social networking sites like Myspace. In my view this is because girls on PoF can receive up to 100 messages a day and needs something quick and snappy that stands out. David M's messages are too big and boring for most to engage with. Myspace game requires an entirely different approach as the women there largely aren't expecting to be hit on.
- It's not suited to everyone's style. If you don't have great phone game this product may not be for you. Because the getting the number is so quick you don't have time to vibe with a girl properly before calling her... this leaves a lot for your phone game to do. This is made worse because, although David M does describe some phone game strategies, they are far from exhaustive.

The Materials and Templates

The product provides
- A suggested template for a profile and a few tips on how to customise it and where to get ideas from for your modifications (e.g. female escort sites!)
- A couple of suggested templates for opening emails.
- A couple of standard prompter messages to mop up girls who don't respond.
- A couple of templates for follow on messages where you ask for a phone number.
- A couple of templates for teasing a girl into giving her phone number after she has refused.
- Suggestions for phone game, and dates.

Most of these templates are reasonable (at least on Match for girls 25+) but they are not great. At least one is just plain terrible... his "Average Vs. Sexy" girls template that will often just make a girl hate you... something that has been found by other posters on this forum.


Response to HeartBoy's review

As a seasoned online gamer, I don't think that a 30:1 openers:dates ratio is all that bad. Many (most?) men online never receive one message back! I've been doing this for ages and *estimate* I can do about 10:1 openers:dates (Although you can get a 70/80% response rate to your opener - many will drop out during subsequent messages/texts etc and you will probably reject many yourself because they turn out to be too dumb/negative/different).

However, if you are in a small town using sites like Match, a 30:1 you could well exhaust your supply of women very quickly... there will certainly be more women out there on sites like PoF or Myspace, but David M's sytem doesn't provide for them.

[BroesBeforeHoes]

I've tried his product too, and I'm pretty much done with it. Feel that most of it was a waste of time. I'm going to check out windowshoppingforwomen now instead...

[sperkgs]

The only dates I have been able to get in say the last two to almost three years have been from online dating and much I can attribute to Dave M's stuff - it does work...I have three friends that have used it and all are either living or married to very attractive women (early 30's, slim, HB 8.0 and up)...now granted I do live in the Chicago area so there is alot of plus there but I have been using MM for a couple of years in the field with very little success (actually none that I can think of) in night or day game, have studied a few others systems with no success so from my experiences I would hang in there with Dave M's stuff...this guy here would be completely dateless if it was not for stuff I learned from him on about internet dating....just my experience and take....

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