Speed Seduction?

[livershop]

Gentlemen,
What is the state of Speed Seduction, currently... Was it truly ever effective? Please share and comments you have on the system; does anybody incorporate SS techniques into their game? Are there any effective techniques that a PUA should have in his toolbox? Though I've made a extensive study of PU related materials, Neil's disparate view of Jeffries' work has left me questioning the method........................... Though secretly, I think Strauss painted Jeffries/Tyler/Papa in a bad light to make a good novel; you need heros and villains... "The Hero's Journey," hmmmmmmmmm.. Mystery as Obi-Wan? Strauss as Luke? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Lisa as Yoda.. okay, maybe that's far fetched; but Extramask was definitely C3PO....

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Okay enough with the Star wars analogy. We get it. lol

I've pretty much studied every Guru out there.. I take the Style approach and steal from everybody to enhance my own knowledge.

What I took from RJ's NLP-style Seduction is that, the best way to build attraction in your target is to make her feel emotions by storytelling.

I've tried the hidden commands and patterning that is taught in the course, just to experiment, and they don't really work. It's not subliminal hypnotism that gets results with Speed Seduction. It's just the fact that you are engaging your target while using lush, vibrant, descriptive and emotive language.

You don't need to know about hypnotism in order to know that, if you talk about how you like to fuck a girl, and you use very descriptive, physical sensational language.. the girl you're telling this to is going to get turned on.

It's not hypnotism.. it's common sense.

The basic rundown of Ross's technique is he uses sexual words in stories that he rehearses..

"You know how when you're in love you feel this DEEP, SLIDING, sensation, DEEP INSIDE OF YOU, and it just makes you want to COME to your senses and realize how HARD and POWERFUL life can be?"

That's basically what he teaches. You just sneak in sexual innuendos into your conversation. And the girl will get turned on. The goal is to get so good at it that she won't REALIZE that you're saying sexual stuff. If she DOES catch on, it will backfire and she'll think you're a creep.

I have found myself using some speed seduction, but only in the Comfort to Seduction phase.. but by then, I don't even need to be sneaky about it.

I just make out with the girl and start whispering into her ear all the wonderful, passionate, sexy things that I'm going to do to her sexy little body.

Girls respond to descriptive language. That's all you need to know.

But to put things into perspective.. I use the Mystery Method/ Love Systems style of gaming about 90%.. only 10% of my game is influenced by NLP.

The reason it's successful is because guys think: "holy shit, I found a secret!" and they get MAD confident, and go out to girls and try to do it. It's the CONFIDENCE that gets them the girls, not the NLP.

[livershop]

Thanks for the info! I think you and me are going to take this to a whole new direction/nude erection!!!

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Lol

[Ether]

Originally Posted by _8_

But to put things into perspective.. I use the Mystery Method/ Love Systems style of gaming about 90%.. only 10% of my game is influenced by NLP.

i've actually studied a lot of NLP and as you begin to learn and understand it, you can easily see how all of the seduction gurus derived their methods from NLP. i'm not saying one method is better than the other, just saying that NLP is where it started.

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Touche.

[keezo]

Originally Posted by _8_

The reason it's successful is because guys think: "holy shit, I found a secret!" and they get MAD confident, and go out to girls and try to do it. It's the CONFIDENCE that gets them the girls, not the NLP.

* Damn that statement makes a whole lot of sense . I went sargeing this weekend and the feeling of just knowing what to say and do brings my self confidence up 100%.Chicks feel your power and b4 they know it are eating out the palm of your hand.Pick is fun the SELF CONFIDENCE is addictive

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You got it, Keez!

[Aesthetikz]

I think the speed seduction thing on rapport and mirroring is pretty crazy. I use it on people I talk to sometimes (like new friends that i meet) and they literally don't shut up. People do mirroring naturally, it's kinda cool noticing when other people are doing (not even just the girls you talk to).

But again, I've heard it argued that mirroring is good partly because it eliminates bad body language, you're copying her body language. I don't think this is true, and I believe mirroring is used best in the seduction community for comfort before sex, or making their friends like you.

Mirror (when done well) is so powerful it is scary.

P.S. I think SS is wrong when it says you should use rapport right away, girls should earn your rapport. I actually read a study on this before i knew it was an NLP thing, and it happens naturally to most couples in bars as the last step in an intimate conversation (before they go home together). If it happens with one person too soon the attraction is often ruined (according to the study).

[Sf9ers]

I just got the program today and will start the coruse right away.

Its my 1st course so lets hope it helps me.