Relationship Dynamics, The Hills, and Plane Tickets

[DeadEyeDick]

These threads where guys talk about women as if they're some kind of weird and dangerous species are hilarious.

It gets even more hilarious when people start asking, on a pick-up forum, for evidence of the trends that people have observed, and then fill their posts with unsupported evidence of trends they've observed.

During my doctoral dissertation defense, no one asked for evidence, but on a pick-up Forum people are demanding it.

It's cute.

Really.

So, I guess the bottom line is that there are horses for courses, as my grandmother used to say.

If you think of women as spiteful, manipulative reptilian-brained schemers, and you look for them everywhere, that's exactly what you'll find.

And, if you act like a suspicious, woman-hating asshole, you'll only attract the kind of women who like, um, suspicious, woman-hating assholes.

What do I seek? I look for women who are smart, direct, funny and flexible.

And guess what?

I find them everywhere.

(Some of them can cook, and most of them swallow.)

My mysogynistic friends who are so interested in evidence, the next time you're out, try this experiment:

Look for one or two things to like about every single person you encounter. Especially women. Post back to this thread. I'd like to see what you find.

[Sarge in Charge]

If you think of women as spiteful, manipulative reptilian-brained schemers, and you look for them everywhere, that's exactly what you'll find.

Exactly. My reference by the way was more a humorous allusion to exactly that dogma than it was an agreement...

Reptiles are notorioulsy cold-blooded in the sack anyway

[TrueStory]

Pretty much people hate to be wrong. If you seriously believe that ALL WOMEN CHEAT, than you will look for EVERY way possible to prove yourself right: "see!!! I told you, all women cheat, that cunt i dated last, cheated on me, this one will probably cheat too. I just know!"

lol

Also, guy that is insecure and jealous is NOT a leader. His so called leadership is nothing more than selfish and bratty outlook on life. A lot of assholes and jerks can be confused for leaders, because they are selfish and they want things done THEIR ways. Which looks like a leadership to an unexperienced eye.

True leaders look out for the BEST solution for everyone. Sometimes it's not what woman thinks she wants, sometimes it is. In military drill Sargent is a dick. He makes soldiers do ridiculous shit and he comes down REALLY hard on them. Why? Because, it's best for these soldiers. It disciplines them. Of course, you would rather go eat a donut and fuckoff with your friends rather than run laps or do exercise.

Or take your parents for example, they look out for your best interests, sometimes they punish you sometimes they reward you. They are your leaders and they want you to be happy.

Same thing for relationship. You're in charge, and you lead relationship towards happiness and best possible outcome. But you have to be honest with your girl where you want your relationship to go. If she wants monogamy and you want polygamy, no matter how good of a leader you are, it's a "fail boat" to begin with.

In order for her to take a ride on your cruise ship, you have to be a good captain and tell your passengers where the ship is going.


And on the word of jealousy, I don't like monogamy, and, most of you disagree with me, but when you have choices, then her sleeping with other guys really does not bother you.

I experienced this myself. When I was in semi-exclusive relationship, where she was THE ONLY option I had, It bothered me that she slept around.

Another girl I dated, she was one of my few hookups. I could call her, I could call another girl or I could go over to a different girl...and guess what, It didn't even cross my mind whether she's fucking someone else or not. Why would it? I was. So who cares if she was too.

[DeadEyeDick]

Originally Posted by Sarge in Charge

Exactly. My reference by the way was more a humorous allusion to exactly that dogma than it was an agreement...

Reptiles are notorioulsy cold-blooded in the sack anyway

That's funny, but I wasn't referring to your post!

I guess I meant that for guys who read a little "evolutionary biology" and don't understand the role of the cerebral cortex in over-riding a lot of those basic instincts.

A little knowledge for those cats is a baaaaad thing.

[DESERT EAGLE]

The topic of the post was, in short, asking why do people think there is something wrong with a man who is controlling and jealous? So why are people talking about cheating and such, is beyond me. But, reading the responses, of so-called men, has been amusing, eye-opening, and sad. When did I say that "all women cheat?" That just goes to illustrate the feminine nature that has been cultivated within men. A man, who makes up something you didn't say then argues against it, and then tries to be smug about, yet really comes across as stupid, is more like a woman than a man.

Rogue, if a woman wants to "test" a man, why can't she, in the very beginning, just ask him out right about himself? Ask and observe from the people around him? Look at the state of his life and his circumstances to make a judgment call on the kind of man he is. No, instead most women choose to get emotionally involved with a man who they don't really know then when it doesn't work out they're left with another emotional scar. Going through that time and time again, many women get emotionally and physically fucked and chucked so many time that when they do get a "good" man they can't even function healthily in the relationship. In the end we're talking about two things here, 1. The absence of the real men that you people mock, as in fathers and brothers, that could protect their daughter or sister, out of JEALOUSY for her and 2. the clear inability for women to choose suitable partners for themselves in the absence of these men. The same women who "don't want to the controlled" are far worse making all of life's choice on their own. Just look at the divorce rate in America. The system you people argue in support of is flawed and obviously doesn't work.

So instead of me seeing that a woman must make sure a man isn't weak or not, I just see it as proof that women cannot make healthy decisions for themselves without the assistance of a healthy responsible male figure in their life to guide them. And, once they do find the man right for them do you think they all of a sudden know what's best for themselves all the time? No, the still need their husband's guidance and leadership.

Regarding television, I would agree with you that TV does not reflect reality. Instead, I think it's the other way around. People emulate what they watch on TV; something artificial. Women more so than men because women are more emotionally driven and more susceptible to outside influences. TV shows like, sex in the city, and girl friends, where women celebrate being at odds with men and living lives of loneliness and of sexual and emotional frustration, directly affect the attitude of women in the "real world" and the affects are clear.

As regards to the responses of DeadEyeDick, it makes me laugh when I see guys who think like you; somehow convinced that they've figured out something that real men from time immemorial have somehow missed. How can any real man be okay with watching their woman get flirted on and fucked by another man. It's truly a sickness and just goes to show how men have been made feminine in the west. You think you're one-upping some woman or you're ahead of other men because you don't care what your woman does. All that shows is that, no woman really respects you, that no woman loves you, that you're not worth committing to in her eyes and that's very weak. What woman would respect a man that doesn't speak up for himself and claim her as his?

More over, when did I say, women were "spiteful, manipulative reptilian-brained schemers?" Those words are not mine and go to show again how men have been down graded to little school girls, sniveling in the corner, trying to gain pussy points by supporting feminist dogma, incapable of even holding a man to man session of logical exchange. You even quote you grandmother. Go figure. Oh, and if you need proof for what I'm saying then try reading books like,"Four arguments for the elimination of television", "The Cultural Devastation of American Women",or "The War Against Men" among others. I'm sure you've never heard of any of those books because they weren't on the course reading list. But pick them up and give them a try and see how screwed your mind really is. Dissertation...please. Where'd you get your advanced degree, Devry? lol...whatever buddy.

I feel sorry for all men who have become modern day eunuchs, prancing in the woman role, as she acts as the man. Why don't you guys just complete the package, buy dresses, wear make-up, and sit home all day and watch lifetime. Because obviously your heads are spinning so much you feel you have to apologize for having a penis. Yes, be the woman in the relationship and wait for your female husbands to come and do as she wishes with you.

A man should be in control of his wife/girlfriend, he should be jealous and protective because if he cares for her and he should be like that naturally and if a woman wasn't inverted and hadn't been taken out of her nature then she would respond positively to this kind of man and would then allow herself to be led and she could then act as the love center of the family. A real woman respects a real man. This is the natural way. The way you prancers have forgotten. The way of real men, real family, and real households.

[DeadEyeDick]

^ Lighten up, ace.

I was addressing more than just you. Don't be so defensive. If I had been specifically addressing something you wrote, I would have said that. (They taught us that at Devry, buddy.)

This is addressed to you:

You've been on the Forum for a short time, but "angry young man" posts like yours have preceded you by quite a while. I got ya pegged, dude, so you don't have to qualify yourself to me or anyone else by being a dick. You ask for logical discussion and then act like a little girl who was sent to bed without her supper, yelling on her way up the stairs. You can make your point without attacking the people who disagree with you.

You were quick to jump on Rogue for proof, but took what the OP said at face value. That makes sense, buddy.

I don't even totally disagree with what you wrote. I agree that women who trade on looks and sex are worn out and undesireable as they get a little older. And I agree that an older man can much more easily get a younger women, whereas an older woman is seen as worn out and undesirable as they get older.

I just don't think most American men are pussies, there's no evidence we encourage guys to be girls on this Forum, and I haven't seen a tidal wave of women leading men around by their noses.

The OP claims there's a theme on the Forum of suggesting guys don't be controlling or jealous. Did you think to ask where he sees that? I thought of it. I searched "don't be controlling." Here's how many times it came up:

Zero.

There is no such theme here.

Also, this Forum isn't some mircocosm of male American society. It's a bunch of guys trying to become more successful at meeting and attracting women. Many of them have been unsuccessful because they don't have skills, or have attitudes that hold them back. If anything, there's a theme of suggesting that guys be more asssertive, not less. Read Best of the Forum. The Classic Writings section from each major contributor. That's your reading assignment, buddy, and you don't have to crack a book to do it. You'll find more of what you're looking for, and less that supports your point.

Suggesting that guys be pussies? Right, buddy. On the back of your cereal box, maybe, but not on this Forum.

Then the OP said something about media compelling women to think and act a certain way. That's a good one. The show you're obsessed with, Sex and the City, winds up with all of the women in fairly traditional relationships. Yawn. Yeah, it's really out there, dude. I hope you enjoyed each episode!

And the OP's comment about the nature of male/female relationships outside of European culture is absurd as well. A cunt-hair can pull a locomotive all around the world -- you're so well-read you should know that.

Even you threw out some bullshit "trends" that are meaningless. The high divorce rate in America has nothing to do with your alleged pussification of men. You compared that to the rest of the world, which is another logical fallacy -- in most of Europe, for example, affairs are common, but are less the reason for divorce than they are here in the US.

I saw an interesting quote around somewhere that said, in essence, that arguing on a Forum is like the Special Olympics -- the winner is still retarded.

I'll leave it up to you, DESERT EAGLE, to break the tape, buddy.

I've had my fill of this KJ nonsense.