why is qualification missing when celebrities pickup chicks?

philander · #1 (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 12:54 PM

qualification is critical IMO b/c, as explained in much of the literature, the girl doesn't want to sleep with someone until she knows the PUA likes her for who she SPECIFICALLY is, as opposed to just fucking the body on her.

so, with that in mind, why exactly does qualification get thrown out of the window when girls sleep with celebrities? celebrities don't actually go around doing qualifying right?
does this mean, the higher the male's value, the less he needs to qualify? (although theoretically, I would think it should be the opposite way)

Philander

sdnightfly · #2 (**permalink**) 03-02-2008, 03:09 AM

I still think a celebrity has to qualify himself, esp. if the girl has no idea what he is a celebrity of.

I think most cities have some sort of "local celebrity" so you don't have to think about a big name on this.

The_Jedi · #3 (**permalink**) 03-02-2008, 08:46 AM

With celebrities, attraction has already been built. It doesn't matter that what you see in the movies or whatever probably isn't them at all because, for some reason, people seem to equate their characters with the real person.

Second, a celebrity is already assumed to have money, power, other women, etc., so in that sense they are already qualified to the woman before they even approach.

Last, you have this backwards. You are supposed to be qualifying the woman, not her qualifying you (or the celebrity, in this instance).

The_Law · #4 (**permalink**) 03-02-2008, 09:00 AM

I would think it is because if a girl was lucky enough to fuck a celeb, she would know that she is probably never gona see him again, and knows he is only after her sex. That being said, she dont care about qualification, cos if she still fucks him, she isnt doing it bc she wants a relationship or that she thinks he Actually likes her as a person, she does it for the sake of doing it - bragging rights/validation.

Gotta ask which kind of girl would just fuck a celeb too - party girl right.

Seems to make sense.

philander · #5 (**permalink**) 03-02-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Law

That being said, she dont care about qualification, cos if she still fucks him, she isnt doing it bc she wants a relationship or that she thinks he Actually likes her as a person, she does it for the sake of doing it - bragging rights/validation.

yeah, this makes sense; she's doing it for validation, so she's not thinking of him as a lucky prize rather than as a future relationship partner. therefore, she won't feel the need to be formally qualified.

I brought this topic up because if we (PUAs) could hit the same switch but without actually being a celebrity, then it makes the process even easier.

I think I'm going to experiment for a few days by adopting an inner frame of feeling like a celebrity, and see what it does in my sets from now on.

The_Law · #6 (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 11:49 AM

Have you been sarging with this mindset Philander? How did it go, any difference?

I reckon it would. When you immagine how Brad Pitt would enter and move in a room, you start to feel that way too...lemee kno.

philander · #7 (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 10:14 PM

Hey man,
Thanks for the reminder.
Actually, I'm goin to Louisiana (haha, I think that's where Pitt lives) next week. Will def experiment with this there and tell you how it works out.

Philander

UofA · #8 (**permalink**) 03-09-2008, 11:19 PM

Why do groupies want to fuck rockstars?
Becuase they are famous and they can be added to their list of famous people they have fucked.
They are not having sex with the celebrity for the same reason other women are having sex with the average guy. They are doing it because this person is famous and usually seen as an attractive male.

They celebrity is just looking to party and get laid by an attractive female. He has to put forth not effort to get laid because 100's of women will want to sleep with him at any venue. So basically they skip all the steps and go straight to the sex.

sdnightfly · #9 (**permalink**) 03-10-2008, 06:40 PM

They want to have sex with the guy on the posters, they want whatever has been built up in their head to happen.

You're correct about them being nothing more than on a checklist, which is also why a lot of groupies get treated like crap when they go backstage and will do anything to get near the band. Most of the time the closest they'll get is blowing the road crew.

Rock stars get a distorted perception of women as a result, and some of them can be outright cruel because these girls let them do what they want. Just imagine saying "do this" and they do. Some of it's pretty vile and degrading...things I'm sure they're dreaming up out of their heads. And they do it. But most of the time they'll get BJ, get a beer out of the trashcan full of Heinekens, and smoke some weed after the show to wind down. It's about as glamorous as your locker room in the gym in high school.

Of course, what the girl will say to her friends... she might wind up getting the guy's number and if she didn't do the typical groupie thing, she will hang out when he's in town, even if he's married. Guys in bands, even the semi-famous ones, line up girls all over the place because they have that gypsy life, and most of these girls might have steady boyfriends, but when the rock star is in town, she'll disappear for a few days. Tradeoff is getting a car, rent paid, jewelry, etc, and she gets VIP treatment, unless the wife's along for the ride, then she's got to be kept out of sight. Working in a band or in the crew lends itself to being able to have mLTRs. They're seen as having an exciting life and she gets access to some of that when they're in town. But what guy likes to share their gf like that?

The only other people who can relate are people in the military that go to places where the soldiers/sailors are treated highly. Which is why a lot of road crew are usually people who were in the military.

Plus most guys like to have a little bit of a challenge. A girl that's not a challenge... I think a lot of people here can say something about that.

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Originally Posted by UofA

Why do groupies want to fuck rockstars?
Becuase they are famous and they can be added to their list of famous people they have fucked.
They are not having sex with the celebrity for the same reason other women are having sex with the average guy. They are doing it because this person is famous and usually seen as an attractive male.

They celebrity is just looking to party and get laid by an attractive female. He has to put forth not effort to get laid because 100's of women will want to sleep with him at any venue. So basically they skip all the steps and go straight to the sex.

FAILSAFE · #10 (**permalink**) 03-10-2008, 07:03 PM

People,

I am ,
I have had my share of local fame in the music scene.

I can say that you do get a lot of girls attention "But",
You still have to do a little bull shitting to get the blow job after a show..

I only once had a girl fuck me because I opened for a local band called( The Rainbow Butt Monkeys ) Known as Finger Eleven..With out having to say much.Just feed her a couple of beers and let hang out with us...
Good Friends I party, went to school with, and worked at the studios we shared.

You are still people with a mind and state.
If they don't like your presentation then they'll hit on your Bass Player..
For Fucken Real """!
That's Punk Rock truth.

FAILSAFE..