My match.com ideas/hints/questions thread!

[tex22]

Well, I have been on match.com and another dating site called okcupid.com for a few months now. I highly recommend both (match b/c of the sheer # of girls on their site and okcupid b/c it's totally free without tons of banners and bullshit.)

After reading many of the theads about online dating/game, I have summed up a few things from different threads into this one. First of all, read DED’s match # close. A lot of great posts came up in that thread (esp from DED and Cheeze has one in his sig that is a must read) so I am in no way taking credit for their work or anyone else’s posts.

I totally agree with JM about being a numbers game, to an extent. Mass emails, winks, woo’s, all work but of course are all very generic. I’v read posts of people writing up 1 email, and then sending it to the 20 girls that they like a lot, praying for a response. I tried this on match, and got 3 responses out of the possible 20. DED is right on when he stated that you must personalize your message with something out of their own profile. The women respond to it, clearly seeing that you read their shit, and just didn’t see there pics of them half naked that they have posted. I like to mix it up, some with a light neg jab and others with a nice compliment about their hobbies or fav bar. The main point is read the damn profiles and try to figure out what type of person they are, then you can judge how hard to tease or not neg that person. All women are different and will take things a different way, but the more personal and funny the messages you send to open, the better the results seem to be.

My next point is something that irritates me, but has to be addressed. On match and all the other dating sites, there are tons of dudes (shocker I know). One person told me that there is a 3 to 1 guy to girl ratio. I then tested this with a quick search option and I quickly became a believer. It’s very similar to going into a bar or club, the guys usually outnumber the women. But you are a PUA, and your game is tighter than theirs, and you must be able to show it. It’s the same on Match and other dating sites. This information comes from two girls on match whom I am very close with (both HB 8.5’s) and I asked them how many messages and winks they get per day on average. Both stated around 10 to 15 per day, now imagine you were a HB 9 or 10 and how many messages you would receive, that’s a lot of guys to choose from! Bottom line is your first message better have something different and responsive than the other 15 or so they will get. Also, make sure you post pictures that show off what a great, fun, exciting person you are. Again, make you page and pics personable and different from everyone else’s. I searched other guy’s profiles (seriously do this and look at all the chumps online) and saw what they had, and tried to post things that were crazy, off the wall, and fun. Sort of like peacocking your page in a way that suits your lifestyle.

I remember someone posting about “throwing a big net” over all your women. Trying to reel in all who’s looking (ie doubling your chances.) Also, you can search city to city or by miles in a radius. Some people like to look up to 150 miles, thats just not for me. I usually only go to about 30 miles or so. Now if you do go for the big net, you will def get more women to search from (not to mention how you can customize your search by age and interests.) Plus you can message more women back and forth and tighten up your online game and see what works and what doesn’t work with number closes n such.

Interesting fact, there are FAR more women on dating sites between the ages of 25-30 than 18-25. I believe this is because older women are out of college and in the real world holding down jobs or whatnot. They don’t have the chances and the opportunities to meet guys constantly at parties, clubs, bars, dorms, as they once did when they were in college. Also, older women (25+ in this case) are watching their friends getting engaged and married and something clicks inside of them. They start to feel left out and think “Wow, it’s time to find that guy and start a family.” With their 9 to 5 job and being hit on by 10 drunks a night at the local bar, they feel that match or a dating site is the best and only way to meet a great guy (good news for us.) Do a search for girls between the ages of 18 and 25 and see how many pages come up. Then try 25-30, the numbers are astonishing….

Now a big debate for online game is in fact when to go for the number close. I think everyone is in constant agreement with taking the game and convo’s offline ASAP. My theory behind this is based on if a women is having up to 10 convo’s with other guys online all at once, why is yours going to be any different from the next guy? Make that connection offline and/or in person, and you build far better rapport and stimulation/memories for her than other guys online. Once again to me, every girl is different and I gauge her IOI’s and profile to pick up hints on how outgoing or shy she really is. Gauge this and see if you need to work on her a little bit more to build some comfort or if you can go right in for the kill and get the #. I really don’t have a specific # of messages I send before I ask for the number. Like I said, I feel it out and then move in when I see progress. JM and Mungo spoke about this briefly in DED’s post.

Now that being said, I typically give them my number between the 3rd to 4th message. It usually ends up something like " hey, I don't know if your really one here just to chat or actually meet people, but here my number. I'll be bored at work, so throw me a text tomorrow if ya want." (Girls love to text, my god.....and they are often bored at work or in class just like you and I, so texting is always on thier mind) I would say that 7 out of 10 times they would reply back with their number and say "ok here is mine." Also, many of the girls respond with “ok, here is my number, call me.” I take this as them being a lil hesitant and scared to call a person for the 1st time, and they want you to take the chance and the initiative. I NEVER ask for their number which is totally different than sarging at a bar or club. I feel that giving my number to the girl is more non-threatening to them, allowing them to say “hey, this guy isn’t pushy or scary, I may want to call and meet him.” Then once they message me back with their number, I know that the game is on.

Quick side note: I do not run game on girls from myspace or facebook b/c that is not a dating site. I’v found those types of girls are creeped out by advances and really immature. If they are mature, they usually have their pages on private and that a whole other battle in itself. Now women are on these dating sites b/c they are looking for something, someone, a true love, a one night stand, a dick, whatev (keep this in the back of your mind, never forget this.)

A little about me, I consider myself a good looking guy (then again who doesn’t?) I don’t go for girls unless they are an 8.5 or above. Yes, I have very high standards, which does limit my options a lot more than I previously anticipated. My match.com subscription ran out a few weeks ago, but I decided to renew it for 1 reason and 1 reason only… to test out new thoughts, openers, routines, # closes ect. I want to use my subscription as a lab rat of sorts and field test everyone’s ideas and that is exactly what I am going to do. So feel free to post anything you want field test or try out. I would love to hear anyone else's number close and see if they do the exact opposite of me and ask for the girls number. I want to try them all. If were gonna do this, let’s do it big! Everything I try, I will report and hopefully spread the wealth. Cheers.

~TEX

[tex22]

Greetings! Well, I decided to open with a line I got from LoungeLizard in a post a wile back, basically out of sheer curiosity. The opener was “You're cute... sort of like a chipmunk.” I was one for one on match.com with a quick response, so I decided to mass email it just for fun on okcupid.com. I believe I opened with it to about 20 HB8’s or above over the course of 2 days. Out of the 20, I received 16 replies with 3 negative email’s back.

One of the great things on okcupid.com is the ability to see who’s online at that exact instant. This is a PUA’s ultimate weapon! I believe it was Folsom (but don’t quote me) who stated that if you get a quick response from a girl, don’t leave! Build comfort and rapport while you have the chance when she is online, this is so true. You will be surprised to see how many girls will stay and message you back and forth for quite some time. All of these were conversations I had were when the girl was online at that instant after using the “who’s online” feature. A majority of the replies were “ hey thank u… I think or Yeah… I guess.” That is all I needed to work from there, just a foot in the door. Here are some of the replies…(read from the bottom up)

#1
=====escouhmana wrote=====
Well she was right.

i like your eyes best

as for my "cuteness" id have to thank my parents i think they did a pretty good job on my sister, brother and myself.

how was your weekend?

=====Tex222 wrote=====
Thank you, that's what my mom always used to say. I used to think she was always bullshitting me these last 25 years, who knew she may have been right! So where did you get your cuteness from?
=====escouhmana wrote=====
hahah thanks. your pretty cute yourself.

=====Tex222 wrote=====
Hey, your cute....sort of like a chipmunk.

#2
=====ashley432 wrote=====
haha well u can lauren if u want. my name is ashley lauren so som ppl call me ashley som lauren so whichev.
o u bartend? thats cool! my day was alright. nothin special

=====Tex222 wrote=====
Well..... you should haha. So I'm Austin! Wait.... your name is Ashley? Oh no, I had a super huge crush on a girl named Ashley once. Oh great, we can't even talk anymore...... ok I'm over it. I'm alright, I just got back from bartending, a lil tired now. How was your day?

=====ashley432 wrote=====
hmmm ok. well im guna take it as a compliment!
so im ashley! how r u?

=====Tex222 wrote=====
haha no worries, that is a good thing...... i think

=====ashley432 wrote=====
ha ummm thanx? i think.

=====Tex222 wrote=====
Hey, your cute....sort of like a chipmunk.

#3 number close!
=====caliprincess43 wrote=====
sounds like a plan... call me i you want 740 457 4841.... jenn

=====Tex222 wrote=====
I tell you what, I'll teach you how to sling beers and make killer margarita's, you give me some private closed door lessons in ballet to help my balance for paintball, deal?

=====caliprincess43 wrote=====
paintball,.... yeah that hurts... surfing... that i could learn... bartending, i would love to learn,...... the whole running thing i dont really do but yoga is fun .... bad boy.... yeah you kinda look like you could be one.

=====Tex222 wrote=====
Well heres an example of what I do. I play professional paintball, I surf, I bartend, I teach Physical Education, I run 5k's, workout every day, and am in the process of becoming a police officer. Then I like to go out at night a have a lil fun. bad boy, nah.....

=====caliprincess43 wrote=====
ohhh... what do you mean by keep up?
and be able to handle you? are you a bad boy?

=====Tex222 wrote=====
You know, I really don't have a specific type of person that I am looking for. I just am looking for a person who is nice, outgoing, and loves to spend time with me (haha I know that is lame but whatev.)But they have to be able to handle me and try to keep up...

=====caliprincess43 wrote=====
oh... its totally okay.... so whats up? what are you looking for on here?

=====Tex222 wrote=====
Haha b/c it really wasn't supposed to be a line! If you took it as one, than I apologize. I don't use lines on people, they are lame...

=====caliprincess43 wrote=====
nope! your the first!!! why?

=====Tex222 wrote=====
Have you gotten that before? b/c I just made it up.

=====caliprincess43 wrote=====
like a chipmunk? wow,... do you always use lines like that?
=====Tex222 wrote=====
You're cute.... sort of like a chipmunk

#4 reverse number close!
=====Tex222 wrote=====
From anyone else...no. Coming from me....yes. Too bad u are not my type, but I have to go bartend now, TTYL. Oh wait! I think we should continue this debate offline sometime, I don't do this online very much, I'm not very good at it. Here's my number if you want to continue to harrass me, j/k. 517-819-9503. I'll be bored at work all night so you can text me or whatev.

=====caroodarlin34 wrote=====
Is being called a chipmunk a good thing?

=====Tex222 wrote=====
Well theres a 1st time for everything I guess. I'v been called a lot of things in my day, but never a chipmunk...... it just sort of fit u.

=====caroodarlin34 wrote=====
Haha....thanks, I guess. I never thought I'd be compared to a chipmunk.

=====Tex222 wrote=====
Hey, your cute....sort of like a chipmunk.

~Tex

[Stealth79]

Here's a gambit I've been working on. I started out sending it as a response to a wink and it worked well so I decided to try it as an opener. A huge percentage of girls online claim to be funny or have a good sense of humor so that's what it keys in on.

subject: make me laugh

Currently there is a drama-filled investigation being conducted outside my office as to whom took the last bagel. This is apparently serious business as it involves nearly half the administrative and secretarial staff.

Since you have such a great sense of humor I assume you know a few good jokes-let's here 'em. I need a distraction from bagel-gate.


What happens is they either tell me a joke (which I bust on them for if it's lame) or they laugh and tell me a similar story from their work (I've been using this on girls in their 20's with jobs). So far I've gotten about a >50% response, ignores for the rest, and no negative responses.

I like the idea of getting the girls to qualify themselves b/c of things in their profile so I'm going to keep trying some different things along this theme.

Oh yeah, sometimes in follow up emails I accuse them of taking the bagel. That goes over well.

[Stealth79]

I read this today and thought it would make a good headline so I'm testing it out:

Cancel my subscription, I don't want your issues

What do you guys think? Witty or bitter?