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Old 03-23-2006, 10:17 PM
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Lets get you out to philly bro. center city and manayunk are babe central in the spring. philly's really becoming a great spot for hot 20 somethings that cant really afford NYC, all the clubs are open till 3, and im friends with a guy that runs the couch room at one of the hottest strip clubs in the city. plus a lot of philly celebs like allen iverson, peter forsberg, and some other sports guys are always at this one club. I'd love to see one of you guys pull a girl from them or even teach me so i can do it.
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Old 03-23-2006, 10:21 PM
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Well my main problem is DHVing. See, I'm not a fan of using the canned ones that aren't mine. Cause I'd rather not lie about these things. Why? Because if things come up later and she finds out I lied, things'll get messy. Plus I demand honesty from them so it's fair to have them in responce Other than that, getting past girls how have boyfriends, I tend to have trouble with. Vlassic responce I got the other day, "Oh, I'd totaly love to but my boyfriend would kill me." I ussualy blank here and say things to the effect of, "Oh thats cool, I don't mind if he watches." Which will get laughs, but not get us any closer. I think problem two is linked to problem one. I recently bought the VAH, but haven't finished reading it yet, so I'm not sure if it's covered in there. If it is, I'm gonna feel like an ass and a half.
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Old 03-23-2006, 10:46 PM
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My problem is this, I usually get off to a good start. But as soon as the target expresses interest, I turn into a god damn pushover. They show me one fucking IOI and I start drooling like an English Bulldog. If I gun for 6's or low 7's I do just fine, because I don't care! I try not to care with the 8-10's, but the reality is that I get anxious. I can taste it, I'm close, I think once I can keep my first 9 or 10 attracted to me long enough to get me feeling like I belong with girls of that calibre, things will get a lot easier for me. Got any exercises?
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Old 03-23-2006, 10:56 PM
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Same issue here for me -
I can deal with the approach anxiety and open sets, and as soon as I figure out that the woman is expressing interest - especially if it is a strong interest, then it is like "whoa...that actually worked" and then I seem to lose frame or something and kind of leave myself in a bad position of trying to figure out whats next. I would like to see if there is anything specific I can do to overcome this sticking point. I already see it and I know that I need to get out and just push every set, but anything else that you have in mind would be great.
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Old 03-23-2006, 11:21 PM
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Default A2 is a sticking point

I can consistently open sets well and then get them laughing multiple times with the best friends test, a cold read, maybe a neg or two and some C&F. The girls will then ask me a rapport question. After this I will try to go into a story or game but the girls will often give IOD’s, act bored, or leave to go dance or go to the bathroom. I feel that I may be coming off as somewhat incongruent.
I basically have trouble running really solid attraction game until getting multiple IOI’s. Also, where would a compliance test fit into all of this? I understand what a CT is but not quite when to use it and why.
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Old 03-24-2006, 12:00 AM
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Old 03-24-2006, 06:18 AM
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And I made it sticky. We'll unstick it after Sinn addresses everyone.
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I'm curious so far who hasn't gotten the results they want?
I know from experience if I open those girls, I'll have them laughing in a minute and I'll be having a blast. I know if I dance twirl this chick giving me AI I can start qualifying right away. I know if I sit down unannounced at that booth I'll hit social hook in five seconds.
I know I can do it. I've done all of this. A dozen times each. And yet it's a CONSTANT stuggle to open those first few sets. EVERY NIGHT. Frustrating. My issue is commitment. Committing to that first set. Walking up, opening your mouth and KNOWING FROM EXPERIENCE good things will come of it.
I'm trying to fix this by opening more and more sets until the experience outweighs my body's attempts to protect itself from abnormal behaviour. Am I on the right track?
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Old 03-24-2006, 06:19 AM
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Its great to have one of the best answering questions....adds a lot of value to this site! I have a couple problems.
The first one is how I should deal with a fool's mate. If a girls starts talking along the lines of hooking up...what is the best stage to stay in to make sure she follows through? I am finding if I stick in A3 sometimes they become overwhelmed and insecure and back off...but if I go ahead into comfort or seduction sometimes its too quick for them...even though they WERE all for it!! What is that? How is it overcome?
The second one is what to do when you run your routines get her attraction way up...she is all about you...and then when you talk on the phone or you meet up she is cold and distant or acting as if she wished she had not given out her number and has no idea what came over her....what is that? How is it overcome?
The mp3 model is the most effective for generating attraction I have ever seen...but it also seems to scare girls who have time to rationally think between interactions and second guess the strong attraction they felt...I guess thats why if you dont strike when the iron is hot you better hope you have enough routines to strike it back up later....
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Old 03-24-2006, 06:39 AM
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My main sticking point is cockiness, once I open a set and get the ball rolling, I'll go completely... i dunno arrogant, as soon as I get any IOI's from the target. I'll try moving ahead to A3 without enough DHVing and I'll get completely blown out.
Or I'll do something stupid that I know I can't pull off yet, but try it anyway.
Ex: I was talking to some girl online that I hadn't seen in a while, and I wanted her to call me, so I attempted a false-takeaway without building any attraction.
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Old 03-24-2006, 07:26 AM
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My Sticking Point is: MIXED SETS. I rarely approach girls who have dudes with them. I have this morbid respect for other guys and, so I just take the next best group of HBs. I expect the same--if a guy approached me while I'm working a set, I would blow him out so fast his head would spin.
Not sure I would aggressively approach mixed sets even if I learn the ways, but I still would like to have them in my arsenal.
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