Soul's Day Game Q&A

[sys]

hey soul, 2 question for you

1. what is your main sticking point in day game and how do you handle them?
2. when you try to stop a girl but they keep moving, what do you do? since it's creepy to follow them.

ps: you are a good looking man, soul. you like a celeb from India.

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[unrated]

london, you kind of remind me of Mohinder Suresh from "Heroes"

When does the Q & A end btw?

[Shenanigan]

Hey Soul, great work ur doin man fo sho!

Here's my question: Straight-forward - How do you game a girl correctly in order for her to be attracted to you in literally a couple minutes?? There's a new girl at work (gym ) who takes care of kids for a summer camp at the gym, and I tried to talk to her the other day while she was waiting for the kid to get out of the bathroom..long story short, I only had a couple minutes to talk before she had to get back to her job, and I mine..we basically just talked about how we have similiar jobs and I threw in some banter as well, but that's about it...how can I most efficiently use 2 minutes to day game?! Or should I just lead the interaction and take as long as it takes to go thru all the game steps correctly?..it just seems sometimes that I feel pushy if I keep talkin to the girl if we both have work we need to get to...any thoughts appreciated, thanx Soul!

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[londonsoul]

Originally Posted by canyoudoabackflip

What is your general approach/structure to hired guns (Working in stores/mall) during the day, especially if it is a time-constrained situation?

Tbh mate, I don't do that much with hired guns. I personally find them more hassle than they're worth - after all they're just standard hot girls with elevated social positions in a particular social situation.

I've done a few though, and essentially everything I normally teach about Direct game applies:

1. Show high value
2. Be socially calibrated

What does this mean in the context of hired guns

1. Be interesting by being funny!! You need to get her out of polite customer/salesperson conversation and into something a little different. Don't ask indirect questions just for the sake of getting her talking, just banter with her quickly.

2. Socially calibration is the biggest thing. Avoid hitting on her hardcore/talking to her lots if her colleagues or boss are listening in. Even if you're pretty indirect, her boss will know whats going on (it's pretty obvious when a guy is hitting on a girl), so it's best to pick your moments. When you go for the exchange of contact details be very subtle so other people don't see what's going on, e.g. "write your number down on that receipt for me."

Again, as mentioned, I think there are plenty of hot girls walking the streets to mean you don't really need to bother with hired guns that much.

Soul

[londonsoul]

Originally Posted by TomFoolery

how did you begin day game (from scratch, like the very first thing you did) and how did you progress to where you are now?
(was it any different than the stuff you wrote in your other thread?)

Haha, good question mate.

The FIRST thing I ever did on day game, in fact, was on my second day ever in the community.

I went on a day sarge with this guy (who to this day is a good friend of mine) who set us the challenge to go up to ten girls and just say, "You're cute!"

My god it was nerve wracking, I almost shat my pants on the train into central london because I was so nervous. But you know what, you man up, you push through, and you get stronger as a result.

I probably got 1 bad reaction from a girl, and 9 good reactions - I think I even got a phone number! Good times...

I was indirect and using routines for about 6 months. In this time, I didn't make massive progress with daygame, whenever I got numbers they ALL flaked.

After a trip to thailand and some serious soul searching (hehe), I switched to Direct and went au naturale. After this, I started getting laid from day game with increasing regularity.

Basically, everything I've learnt in the last 2.5 years I've condensed into my day game seminar (so come along and let the healing begin!). If you're interested, PM me and we can talk thru exactly what I teach and what you should expect to learn from it.

It's funny, I read a bit of the pickup literature out there and compared notes with people like Sinn. I realised that a lot of the things I read I had discovered myself through my own experiences - sometimes people converge on good ideas through their own experimentations.

Soul

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[londonsoul]

Originally Posted by Stormboy

My question is when you approach and open what should you be doing with your hands? Should you touch, open and let them hang on the side? This for me is my challenge. Any body language tips you can give in general?

I always touch them very gently for half a second on the arm when I open them (I normally open from behind). Best thing is to demonstrate this in person on a seminar, but if you can't make it, hopefully I should be producing some day game videos in the next couple of months with Sheriff that will demonstrate this nicely.

After that point, you should be relaxed but strong in your body language. As you talk, your hands should be gesturing to express what you are saying. watch videos of good public speakers to see what I mean.

Soul

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[londonsoul]

Originally Posted by Slack

Hey man, Thanks for doing a Q&A..

1)What's the best way to STOP a set?whether solo or group..

2)Whats the BEST way to stop a set that has PASSED You? I notice i have to go in from behind,giving them a chance to keep going,then i become the weird chaser guy

3) Is it a good idea to have a Day game structure?? Thanks

Dude, again all this body language stuff is best demonstrated in person. I'm giving a free talk (well it actually costs £5) in London next Monday 16th June, if you're around I'll give you a demonstration.

Someone asked me this in the Lounge, so I'll repost my answer here:

[His question asked when you have moving sets on the street, should you a) stand in front of them and stop them badboy style, b) walk next to her while you deliver the opener over your shoulder, Mystery style, or c) tap her on the shoulder so she stops and then deliver opener]

GREAT question mate, I was waiting for someone to ask this. For moving sets, I highly recommend c) tapping her on the shoulder and getting her to turn around, or some variation of this. My standard MO is to touch them lightly on the arm from behind and say "Excuse me..." My rationale is this:

1. Standing in front of her and saying "stop!" is confrontational, and also totally makes you look like one of those charity people on the street who get you to sign up to their charities. We have so many of them in London. Seriously, girls think you're trying to sell them stuff if you do this.

2. Tapping her on the shoulder to make her turn around (also, say something like, "Excuse me..." in order to get her attention) interrupts her flow of walking in that direction: she will stop and turn around. That she has committed that much already means she is more likely to commit to a few minutes (and hopefully more) of conversation with you.

3. Running up behind her and tapping her gives makes it look as though you saw her walking past and then had the afterthought, "I'm going to regret it if I don't talk to this girl," instead of walking around actively prowling for girls. It has a more romantic air (which works SO well in the daytime) than standing in front of them and squaring off.

I ALWAYS let a girl walk past me, then turn around and go tap her on the shoulder or arm if I can. I've tried so many times stopping girls walking towards me and it just plain does not work as well (they really think you're trying to sell them something).

In terms of having a day game structure, yes this is a good idea. Have you read Magic Bullets? It's the same structure, just adapted slightly for daytime -read my post here if you haven't.

I teach this basic structure for day game:

1. Approach
2. Banter/make her laugh
3. Instant date - qualify and comfort
4. Escalate - bounce and close (full close ideally, if not then number close and time bridge).

Soul

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[londonsoul]

Originally Posted by 619joe

Whats your success rate like now (just getting the number?

Do you still run into times where you just get absolutely no where with the girl and therefore get nothing out of it?Or have you gotten good enough to maintain stability for every single interaction?

Dude, let me tell you something. Anyone that tells you something works with EVERY girl ALL the time is a f*cking liar or marketing their ass off. I know some of the best guys in the world, and I have seen them all get blown out at some point.

Do you know what a good salesman is? It's not someone who makes a sale on every call. It's someone who has a good conversion ratio - they know what their ratio is, and they make the appropriate number of calls to generate good revenue. It's the same with pickup.

My success rate is that I can approach and normally banter with most girls. Out of 10 daytime approaches, I will probably get 1 cold blowout, 8 warm/good responses, and 1 amazing connection. There will be a bunch of phone numbers, a couple of instant dates, and normally one lay (either a same day lay or on a date later that week).

Success rate is a funny thing. I know I could "improve" it by choosing girls that I know will be attracted to me or that are well within my capabilities, but I'm not in this for easy success. I am constantly trying to further my game by pushing myself to do harder and tougher sets.

Soul

[londonsoul]

Originally Posted by sys

hey soul, 2 question for you
1. what is your main sticking point in day game and how do you handle them?

My main sticking point is organising logistics. I meet so many hot girls during the day, but I want to close them (lay them) as soon as possible. It's so frustrating having a good connection with someone, only to have the fact that they're so busy in the next few days mean that the connection gets forgotten. Ideally, I'd like every romance to last a few hours and then I can go out in the evening with my buddies to party.

Especially when you start to approach super hot girls (9s and 10s), they all have so many parties etc. going on it's harder to compete for time.

I'm taking two approaches to these issues:

a) Developing massive social value by increasing my social circles and always trying to have a cool party up my sleeve. Being a connector like Mr M talks about.

b) Picking the right girls. I talk about this extensively in my seminar, but basically picking the tourists and other hotties you know you can lay quickly.

2. when you try to stop a girl but they keep moving, what do you do? since it's creepy to follow them.

This is addressed in another reply above I think, let me know if not. It's not creepy to follow them if you a) express genuine emotion, and b) act socially calibrated. "neediness" is all in your head. If you're just there to approach a woman and tell her she's beautiful without supplicating to her, then that's a strong frame. If you want to follow her so you can admire her from afar without ever having the balls to talk to her, that's a creep frame.

ps: you are a good looking man, soul. you like a celeb from India.

Cheers buddy

Soul

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[londonsoul]

When does the Q & A end btw?

Q&A will probably end next week, or at least sometime before the seminar launches (23rd June).

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