TWINS - Project California 2008 - 30-day challenge

[Twins]

Thanks SweetSauce! Impeccable analysys. I'll be working hard on these sticking points. Especially the fact that I eject too early. I've been forcing myself... Since Thursday I've been going out every night. I'm taking this thing very seriously.
It was a pleasure sarging with you. It was very good team work... Say hello to Fluent and try to remain immune from oneitisis!!

[SweetSauce]

Originally Posted by Twins

Thanks SweetSauce! Impeccable analysys. I'll be working hard on these sticking points. Especially the fact that I eject too early. I've been forcing myself... Since Thursday I've been going out every night. I'm taking this thing very seriously.
It was a pleasure sarging with you. It was very good team work... Say hello to Fluent and try to remain immune from oneitisis!!

actually fluent was making out with his date on thursday.... His date was pretty hot!!!! HB 8, he tells me how he always thinks about her but also he is still willing to sarge with me.


but yeah twins, like mystery and tyler durden said, "YOU gotta PLOW." if you run out of material, ask any AFC question if you have to. Just stay for the sake of staying. PLOW


anyways, i need to see the pics of mystery and matador!! try to email them to me at garypaytonla@yahoo.com

[SweetSauce]

man that's awesome that you got to hang out with mystery,

what club did you meet him in? where?

i wanna meet him! he's a genius

[Twins]

I move to another hostel, downtown San Diego, closer to the clubs. The first 2-3 days I build a small social circle: I make friend with my roommates and part of the staff working in the hostel. I'm always loud and funny and always show high energy.

One of the girls at the reception HBGermany becomes my target. I use some cocky funny stuff. I manage to isolate her on the second night. I use my usual routines: palm reading, kino, I make her qualify to me and run the cube. The cube is rather small and I get lots of signs that this girl is really insecure and inclined to depression too. This lowers her value but I decide to continue and game her anyway for practice purposes. She seems attracted to me but she doesn’t pass the kino compliance test.

The second night (Monday) we go out to Henry’s pub on the 5th Av. A few sets available. Very few HB8s though. HBGermany is not there. I spot a few people from my new social circle, so I enter the set with high energy level by opening an Australian girl (5) from the hostel staff who know everybody and proved very social. She is talking to 2 Dutch girls I had briefly met the previous day. HB7.5 and HB8. I give high five to the Oz girl, I slightly neg the 2 Dutch girls, and some DHV. I then high 5 all of them, leave and open an adjacent set of Irish girls. Cocky funny , basic kino. I take some pictures with them always keeping high energy. Then I go out for a cigarette. The Oz girl is there, so I open another mixed set (1 girl and 2 guys, also from Australia) and it comes up that they are from Australia. So I merge the sets and then I go back to my target with one of my AFC friends following me. And I start gaming her.

Eye movement routine, finger routine (kino), then I make her qualify. She is a physiotherapist working in a 5 star luxury hotel in Amsterdam. She gives massaged to stars, VIPs and politicians. Then, I improvise some risky stuff:

TWINS: You know, there must be some strange mental connection between me and you. I can see you're a very sensitive woman but at the same time you're assertive and determined. You’re very loyal to your friends.
HB It's true
TWINS And I can tell you love martial arts.
HB OMG! How do you know??

I could tell because one of my past oneitises was into taekwondo and the shape of the back was similar. So we’re in A3 and when I make her qualify for me she tells me that last summer she worked for Steven Tyler and his daughter in Amsterdam during the Aerosmith European tour. Now, I happen to be a huge fan of Aerosmith so the Mystery line came out spontaneously:

TWINS: OMG! You gave a massage to Steven Tyler himself!!?! Aerosmith are my favourite band! I did the whole European tour last year with them (which is true). I CAN’T EVEN TALK TO YOU NOW!

And I do a takeaway adding some Italian drama and I join the other OZ mixed set. While I take over the other set I see she remains frozen for a couple of minutes. I decide not to go back immediately. She leaves. After that, I keep looking at other guys hitting on her. After all, it’s so true: a woman can get laid every night very easily . ..

The big mixed set becomes a 2-set plus me (Australian HB5, me and a Swiss AFC). The OZ girl is drunk and gives me clear IOIs. She even says she desperately wants to make out. I say I can introduce her to any guy in the room if she gets me a cigarette and a drink for my AFC friend. She jumps through the hoop without any problem.

After about 15-20 minutes after my takeaway with the target I decide it’s time to approach her again. I go back inside and approach another set. Her friend, HB8 is talking to an English guy from the hostel that he had been seen talking with her for the entire evening. Wrong body language, not locked in at all (he was facing her and following her like a little dog...) But he looked very determined and focused. I decide to Amog him for practice...

So I get in the set, high five the 2, I say it's too hot inside and ask some other questions., but with higher energy. Then I start talking to the girl for a few minutes turning my back to the guy. After a while I notice that the guy had left… I eject too. My target was talking to a big black guy, laughing... I go there and whisper to her ear to come outside because I wanted to make her an offer. She doesn’t come. I wait outside. In the mean time my Swiss AFC friend got the free drink from the HB5 and I got my cigarette. She also found a man for herself. The Swiss AFC has to get back inside because of the alcohol laws in San Diego (you can’t drink outside a pub after midnight).

I stay outside. As soon as she comes out I approach her directly. I say that if she teaches me the basics of professional massaging I'll do a psychology test on her that can improve her self-awareness (the Cube of course). The OZ pivot leaves with his guy, the swiss AFC drinks his Rum/coke in isolation with himself. We decide to go back to the hostel.

In the hostel, around 1.30 am there are still a lot of people around. We sit in a comfort location, apparently isolated. I was totally out of my comfort zone, because there were constantly people passing by and we were sitting on the floor just in front of the security cameras. I decide to force myself and to continue my set out of my comfort zone. I go back to my offer:

TWINS So now I’m going to do this visualization exercise. We’re going to explore your inner self and you’ll reach a higher level of awareness. Then you'll teach me how to give a professional massage…
HB7 I don't know if I can do it...

I try to run the cube but she doesn’t manage to visualise anything. (???). We try a couple of times than we just drop it. But I insist she teaches her massaging techniques. I insist. She finds some excuses, then she complies. She gives me a nice massage for about 5 minutes while sitting on the floor (you could tell she was a professional) explaining how to identify the different part of the muscles etc. Then, it’s my turn. She let’s me practice on her...

She says I’m really good. I respond that she was a good teacher... She sat next to me. The time for the kiss close had arrived. I was totally out of my comfort zone, completely sober, people passing by smiling at me, a camera just in front of us (with the receptionist watching), my sticking point about Kiss/F-closing the same night. I go for the close, Mystery Method:

TWINS: Do you want to kiss me?
HB8: (pause-smile)... I don't know.
TWINS: Let’s find out.

I kiss her very gently… I bite her neck a little bit…

She was into it. I eject first…

We chat for a few minutes, than we kiss again. I convince her to go upstairs. There are already 3 people sleeping for sure in my bedroom so it’s out of question for me to F-close in a 6-bedroom (upper bunk bed) so the only option was the shower in the bathroom upstairs… So I get LMR, just as I imagined. I react by saying “OK” and start playing in front of the mirror with an earring that OZ 5 gave to me before meeting his guy (maybe as lock in prop...). HBHolland says she wants to cook pancakes for me the following morning. I say ok, in a cold way... She looks hesitant. We make out again in the bathroom (in the mean time people were coming and going out of the bathroom…). I get another LMR… . We say good-bye. She insists she wants to cook pancakes for me the following day. (I don’t actually know what’s th message behind this).

In retrospect, maybe I had to force her and go for the f-close in the shower. I don't know... I also notice I still spend to much time DHVing and building attraction and not enough time building comfort...

Anyway, all things considered, it was a good set and I was satisfied for having been out of the comfort zone for so long in order to close. Beside, I had a professional massage, I learned some techniques and I got her email, which can be still useful if one day I go to Amsterdam (and I’ll go sooner or later). I didn’t get to taste the Dutch pancakes though. I woke up too late…

Next FRs will be about my LA/Hollywood nights with a wing from London and a local PUA I met on the boards. TWINS Project California 2008 continues…

[Zyxst]

Hey man, first of all, I think its great that your pushing yourself like this, I like your attitude of believing in yourself, and pushing yourself even when those daemons in our head try to talk us out change.

Grats on the kiss close, now, my opinion on this, and by the way, I'm not some mPUA. She found you very interesting, she just didn't want to fuck you the same night you guys kissed, was it possible had you done xyz correctly? most likely. You handled the last minute resistance okay up until the point you said okay coldly. The fact that she hesitated meant she was fighting with herself not to progress, because she wasn't comfortable, but she wanted to. I feel the best thing would have been to just make her feel comfortable, tell her that it pancakes would be nice, ect. Keep talking. The environment might have sucked, but you still might have hung out a bit longer, and felt closer to you.

You have good analysis skills from what I've read and after reading my reply I think you'll be able to decide for yourself on what I have written.

This women I met while traveling in India, constantly told me she did not do one night stands. I first thought she was lying but now that I've gotten to know her a little better, she was actually telling the truth, I was her second one night stand, her other relationships were her previous 6 boy friends lasting anywhere from 1 month to 2 years. HB 8. Now, I knew we bonded, I knew she liked me (as this one likes you), and she started telling me this because she believed me to be the kinda guy that did have them, she wanted to let me know that I wouldn't be able to do this to her. To her I'm sure it was just part of conversation, but she was motivated to say this subconsciously, almost as if by saying so if I did fuck her I'd be obligated to pursue a relationship (not saying thats completely what she meant subconsciously, but whatever), she probably didn't want to be a slut either, in India thats looked down upon even more. She was looking after herself, and I was fine with that, I'm not going to make her do something shes not comfortable with, I accepted the fact she wanted me, but didn't do anything about it because I understood her position (this is how I am, i feel bad trying if I believe they mean this). But over the course of the night, her kissing started becoming more intense, so I uped it too, a few hours later she suggested a hotel room. I simply told her no, without an explanation (I think this discomfort is due to my raising, and I'm not sure if I should change it, tell me if you think i should). A little while later, she suggested the hotel room again, and told me it was okay, and that she wanted this.

I feel this happened because I didn't push, nature just sorta did its thing, I just didn't make any mistakes (maybe). I believe you had her, she was into you, and it was on, and even if you didn't end up fucking her that night, just by developing comfort, she would want to see you again (make pancakes), and then a whole new day.

[Twins]

Thanks a lot for your analysys Zyxst. You're definetely right: I should have calibrated better on the second LMR... I forgot to mention in my FR, however, that my target was leaving the following night so I had no chance to wait for the 4-7 hours needed to f-close.

In fact this was another reason to push it for the close... But I didn't make it...

As my wing in Montreal (Solid) often says: you have to push it as much as possible when it hurts the most. One of his favourite quotes is by Arnold Schwarzenegger:

"The last three or four reps is what makes the muscle grow. This area of pain divides the champion from someone else who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens."

I guess that can be also applied to our game. I'll try to visualize Arnold the next time I'm so out of the comfort zone...

[Twins]

I'm writing from my hotel room in Las Vegas. I want to share a few thoughts and impressions about my LA experience before posting some detailed FRs about my 6 nights in Hollywood/LA.

All things considered, the LA experience proved very fruitful and productive. Beside my unexpected and inspirational meeting with Mystery and Matador and another local PUA, I finally had the chance to sarge in the same places were Style and the other PUAs of The Game had sarged. This was very meaningful for me.

I think now I understand better the philosophy behind this GAME and my commitment to reach mastery has been strengthened.

I think that sarging in Hollywood / LA (with all those 9s and 10s) gives you a privileged insight of the true meanining of the Game and can reinforce your motivation, especially for those who committed to become PUAs after reading the book written by Style.

Considering that I got to sarge with Mystery himself, for me, obviously, it was a true EPIPHANY...

[Zyxst]

Originally Posted by Twins

Considering that I got to sarge with Mystery himself, for me, obviously, it was a true EPIPHANY...

Nice man, and in the post prior to that quote where you mentioned arnold. I just came across that qoute today too. Definately applies to everything.

[MasterEnol]

TWINS,

You certainly have the dedication and will to become a master of your study and it certainly was a pleasure sarging with you last week here in LA. I look forward to your next visit.

Field Report

I finally met TWINS around 10:00PM that night in Sunset and we got to know each other a bit before we went out to sarge. It was very interesting to see how committed he is to mastering the game and how he embraces the idea that the game is meant to enhance one's life, not define it. His friend TOXIC later joined and we headed to the venue GOA where we were to meet some female friends of TWINS.

When we meet the girls, we introduced each other and made our way to line line to get into the GOA club. I did not want to run much game on these girls because I would most likely be spending much of the night with them and a transition would've been likely to fail making an uncomfortable night. Fortunately, TWINS was able to keep a conversation going with in our group. TWINS asked me to open a set behind me, but I took too long thinking of an opener and TOXIC was took the set. After waiting in line for a while with our group being gamed by TWINS, we made it into the club.

Once inside the club, TWINS pointed out his target of interest in our group and I offered to sarge her friend who may have be an obstacle. I decided to ask a few simple questions that would lead to a neg. A few moments after talking to the obstacle, she asked me my age. I replied and then asked her for her age. She replied. I told her she looked much younger; young enough to be my little sister (a neg and to disqualify her as a mate). Her response was, "Um, that would be incest." My thought at the time was, "WTF?" I must have unknowingly showed her signs of interest if she thought I had sex with her in mind. I ended up naturally giving her a cold shoulder and told her that's not what I had in mind. From there, I began looking for sets to open.

I had extraordinary difficulty opening sets even if a HB7or8 would show me IOIs right away so I asked TWINS to just pick a set for me. He chose a set right behind me and I made my approach. As usual, my mind went blank when I needed an opener. My opening was AFC material, but I was able to transition to a DHV story.

At the beginning of my story with my target, a reasonably good-looking muscle-guy attempted to AMOG me. This muscle-guy walked into my set and placed his arm around my target. I responded naturally. I simply smiled, talked very briefly with the set, and asked my target, "So, you came here with your boyfriend?" as I directed to the muscle-guy's direction. She responded, "Oh god, no." From here, he released his iron-grip on my target and I was able to successfully finish my DHV story routine. I was surprised on how easy it was to suppress this guy.

Everything was going well with this first set, but I just didn't stay in the game. After my DHV story routine and a few minutes of conversation with my target, I made an excuse to leave and I told her I may come back to see her again. Unfortunately, this was as far as I got into the game for the night.

Contemplating on how I was going to open the next set got me walking back and forth in the venue which caught the attention of a bouncer who befriended me. He asked me why I wasn't getting any girls since I was dressed so well and I told him not to worry as I will be getting a lot better in time. We kept running into each other in the club, making new conversations, and he introduced me to sets (which I failed to properly open ). It wouldn't be a bad idea to visit this venue again as he can help me with DHV. He told me to keep him updated and I told him I will.

After the club, one of the girls in our group treated us to a nice meal in a restaurant and I had an idea for bouncing to another setting afterwards. I shared some of my ideas with TWINS and TOXIC of visiting a new setting after the meal so the girls would build a sense of familiarity with us so TWINS can proceed to the next phase. It was 3:00AM when we were eating and I asked the girls if they're usually up this late. One of the girls responded with a yes and I told her how my friends and I would build a bonfire at the beach around this time for a relaxed setting. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to make this idea interesting enough for the girls to say anything about it.

After the meal, we went outside, talked a bit, and said our good-nights.

Feedback

• I need to open much more often! OPEN OPEN OPEN.
• It's recommended that I don't ask my target if she has a boyfriend. In my
  AMOG situation, my question implied if the muscle-guy was her boyfriend. I
  didn't use any textbook material(that I know of) to disarm the AMOG, so I'm not yet sure how this would work out in most AMOG situations.
• I must not forget to talk to the set, not just my target.
• I need to start working on my attraction and isolation routines.
• TWINS was definitely the life of the group as he was able to keep interesting conversations going with the girls the entire night.
• TWINS and I agreed that he stayed in attraction phase too long. Better preparation for the transition of attraction to comfort/isolation is recommended.
• Maybe some peacock items for TWINS? It can help although it doesn't seem like he needed them the night this field report refers to.

So what can I do about my mind going blank in A-1 before the approach? Besides practicing, I will try a mnemonic system (mnemonic is a memory aid). The system I will use is known as Mnemonic Peg System. The way it works is that a set of items can be easily memorized simply by attaching each item to an already memorized set of sequence. Explaining how I can use it to remember openers when my memory betrays me can run quite lengthy. If this system is successful in helping me remember openers under anxiety, I will definitely post the details and I'll use it to help out with other phases.

I'd appreciate any feedback or comments from the community. See you guys around.

[asiansensation]

when she said that would be incest... what kind tone did she use, she could be flirting w/ u! and the amog destroyer is actually pretty good, i think i saw other guys usin it in other fr i read too...