crossing the room to open

[GenePoole]

A quote from Magic Bullets:

Like opinion openers, you can’t walk across a room to open situationally; she will know that you did so to hit on her. If you’re going to communicate your interest right away, you are better off using a direct opener (see below).

Most opening in bars and clubs relies on crossing a room to chat to someone unless you are standing nearby them.
What are your thoughts on this?
If you cross the room to open, I would have thought a "Hi" was better than using a random question but it's obvious at this point you're hitting on them so you need instant attraction.

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[GenePoole]

Anyone? Doesn't crossing the room make an obvious statement that you want to chat to them? Most of my openers or any that rely on opinions rely on proximity or standing next to a group of girls at the bar.

[The_Puzzler]

To an extent yeah, but for all they know, you could be coming back from the toilet or coming back in from outside etc, and as you walk by, take a step back, turn head slightly to face them and start like 'hey guys' and then carry on with your opinion. After you'v practiced this abit, it will be fluid, and will seem off the cuff to the set.

[GenePoole]

Except it depends on the opener. If you're going to use some of the openers I've seen, and I might add ones that suit my personality more, such as "If you were an animal, what would you be, or what's your favourite country". They are much more direct and though they might open the group, they tend to work better in proximity environments or bars. It's pretty obvious you fancy one of them with these as you can't root the opener. Even some opinion opener can't be rooted if you don't have your friend near you.
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[Cedar]

Originally Posted by GenePoole

...Most opening in bars and clubs relies on crossing a room to chat to someone unless you are standing nearby them...

Yes. So use direct openers.

Not sure what you're asking to clarify here.

[GenePoole]

My point is that the whole principle relies upon making indirect approaches to give your target a chance to get attracted.
Direct openers rely on the set being open to you and the target making an instant decision on whether they fancy you.

Indirect openers are the solution to this to allow you to look like you just happened to ask them a question. Approaching someone from across the room with no wingman near you will be taken as a chat up line.

[chill84]

Wrong. Direct Openers don't have shit to do with the set, they rely on YOU being confident and outgoing.

[Cedar]

Originally Posted by GenePoole

My point is that the whole principle relies upon making indirect approaches to give your target a chance to get attracted.
Direct openers rely on the set being open to you and the target making an instant decision on whether they fancy you.

Put the ebook down and go talk to girls. I'm not hearing anything in your posts to suggest you have enough experience with women to hold this conversation.

Now go. Talk to girls.

[Basically Yes]

Like Magic Bullets said, you don't want to walk across a room to do an opinion opener because it reveals that you don't really want an opinion but are hitting on them...I have a little workaround.

Usually what I do is have a friend walk with me to the bar (or near the group) and fake some conversation with each other and then as I'm walking by the table or group I want to open I say "ok let's ask someone" (as I'm turining around), then I face the group and say "quick opinion" then I turn back to my friend, "hang on gimme one sec (false time constraint)" face group again and continue with opener.

It's really important how you do this, if you do it wrong it will be blatantly obvious that you just staged the whole thing and it's going to be really cheesey. Try and make it so the only part they see is you turning around from your friend and saying "let me ask someone"...it has to seem natural.

This is the definitive work on pickup and dating theory, written by an acknowledged master of the game - a guy who’s TRAINED many of the new “gurus” on the scene!

[GenePoole]

Originally Posted by Basically Yes

Like Magic Bullets said, you don't want to walk across a room to do an opinion opener because it reveals that you don't really want an opinion but are hitting on them...I have a little workaround.

Usually what I do is have a friend walk with me to the bar (or near the group) and fake some conversation with each other and then as I'm walking by the table or group I want to open I say "ok let's ask someone" (as I'm turining around), then I face the group and say "quick opinion" then I turn back to my friend, "hang on gimme one sec (false time constraint)" face group again and continue with opener.

It's really important how you do this, if you do it wrong it will be blatantly obvious that you just staged the whole thing and it's going to be really cheesey. Try and make it so the only part they see is you turning around from your friend and saying "let me ask someone"...it has to seem natural.

Yeah, so you stage that fact that you are near them and you are rooting your opener - some sort of conversation with your friend.
Some of my openers aren't rooted at all such as "If you were an animal what would you be?" In a bar, most of the time this works, but occasionally you get a wtf look.

This is the definitive work on pickup and dating theory, written by an acknowledged master of the game - a guy who’s TRAINED many of the new “gurus” on the scene!