Ipods & busses

[jacq69]

I've got a bit of a problem. I've noticed that a lot of women use ipods to deflect attention and this throws a monkey wrench into using a straight opinion opener or a neg opener or whatever. Is it acceptable to open with light kino to get their attention? How do I open something like this? I've tried to approach women with ipods and most just take one earphone out to hear what you have to say and they give you a look like "go ask someone else" when you try an opinion opener or say "I don't know" and put the earphone back in. Any suggestions?

The other place I have trouble is on busses. I take transit a fair bit and I've noticed that people are much more closed off while taking the bus. Is it because they're surrounded by people with no way out? Opening a woman on the street or in a bookstore is easy and even a nightclub seems easier than on a bus. Even small talk with other guys you have to nearly beat it out of them with a stick. Any suggestions?

[wierdmtg13]

personally i think opening girls with ipods is next to impossible. i dont do it unless ive adquired excellent eye contact with her before the open. to the point in which the eye contact is an ioi or invitation to open her.

i totally agree that the buses are filled with closed off people. thats mainly because no one talks on the bus. a use the bus a little bit but a wing of mine uses it all the time. i talked to him about bus game and he says you just start up a convo like - so where you headed, or something about the weather. then ask what they do. another opener i use is compliment them on an accessory then transition into a story about how i was shopping with my friend Hillary for something of the same nature. ask where she got it. neg her a little bit and say if thats the last one im going to be sooo mad at you. then just talk to her about style, fashion, jewelry. girls love talking about crap like that.

end the convo with either a date setup through a common interest - sports, music event, etc. - or say something along the lines of this was a great conversation, we should exchange number and meet for coffee later this week. try to put a day out there. then tell her you'll text her to remind her the day before.

just be a little more relaxed and chill than in the clubs. jsut shoot right into a convo opposed to opener, transition, neg, a1, a2.... etc. for kino i like to use the high-five. then the arm nudge.

good luck out there and post a field report if it goes well.

[londonsoul]

The ipod/headphone thing is a complete limiting belief. I used to think, "Hmm girls wearing headphones don't WANT to be disturbed. That's their signal to tell us to stay away."

Haha, it was just paranoia and excuse making! This is all about value. Look at it this way, if you're walking down the street with headphones in, and some panhandler asks you for money, you probably won't respond. But if someone offers value to you, e.g. somebody stops you to offer you a £10 note, you will take out your headphones and listen.

Of course, we're not going to be offering girls money, but we offer value from our interesting personality, ability to have fun, make them laugh etc.

I stop girls all the time on the street wearing headphones, but I use Direct openers, which will get their attention quickly.

On the bus it's a little different, you're right to note that people will tend to be a bit more closed off because of others around. However, then it's down to your ability to make a situation light hearted and fun in order to relax her.

The key is making her laugh or giggle within the first 30 seconds of the interaction, if you can do that she will instantly relax. Use a slightly teasing line, e.g. tease her for a big bag and ask if she's got a gun in it, or if she's reading Heat magazine ask her what the latest on Britney Spears is and tell her you used to be a big fan ("They just don't make music like 'Hit me baby one more time' any more do they?").

All with a big smile and cheeky demeanour.

Soul

[chill84]

I developed a routine for opening girls w/ ipods.

Point at them/gesture towards them while mouthing something, if she doesnt notice you, playfully wave your fingers near her face. Avoid contact. Once she looks at you, keep mouthing words until she takes her earpiece off.

PUA: What are you listening to that made you make that face just now?

[jacq69]

The same day I posted this I was on the train here (the LRT, part of the bus system here in Calgary) and I was sitting directly across the isle from two very beautiful ladies. Both were 8's in their own right and I simply decided to talk to them as they sat down. It was interesting and I realized that people are so closed off on the bus because of the close quarters and it's kinda awkward with everyone trying not to stare at one another. Talking to them immediately when they sat down broke that awkwardness and gave us a reason to actually look at one another. There was a sense of relief and you could see people around us were enjoying listening to us talk. I actually used one of Style's openers and didn't need to neg because I started getting IOI's right away. The other beautiful thing was a built in time constraint...I asked where they were going and they said they were getting off at Heritage Station (one stop before mine.) so before they left I asked the blonde for her number. I got it too but it came in a bizarre form, she had a "personal card" made up...that's like a business card with just her own name, phone number and email address. The guy next to me was grinning ear to ear as I got that phone number and he chuckled as the girls left. I turned to him and said "Is this not the sign of a player?" He just nodded and laughed. I've yet to call her but I'd be willing to bet she's a horndog. I should probably get on that one!