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Old 02-03-2008, 11:55 AM
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Default Stuck In Confort. Will a freeze-out help??!

So, a few months ago I had been on here reading something about whether or not it is possible to #-close someone you don't know, within the first 5 minutes that you meet them. I had gone to the gym, and seen an HB9 asian (my preference) working the front counter, decided to approach, did, and number closed after a short conversation.

Over the next two months, we saw eachother occasionally at the gym, and sent occasional text messages. Nothing too special, although I did neg her a few times.

She called me out of the blue a few days ago just to say hi, to which I said I would call her back, and then didn't.

Talked to her a day or two after for a few minutes, kept the conversation light and vague, and then ended the conversation according to my 2-3 minute time constraint.

Here is what transpired yesterday.......

(texting)
AA: Do you have a myspace?
HB9: Yes, why are we going to be myspace friends too? hahaha
(texts me her email)
AA: No...we're not.
HB9: What? Wow, you're not very nice.
AA: Yes and no, you just don't know me well enough yet.
HB9: Well, we don't see or talk to eachother regularly but you seem cool so far, and I'd consider you a buddy. You don't know me well either but I don't normally show.
AA: I have yet to decide whether or not I consider you a buddy. Don't normally show what?
HB9: Oh okay. Your choice. My true colors. Well I'm a people person for the most part. I'd like to think that I'm a family person but I'm too caught up with work and school.
AA: Respect....
HB9: Respect? Okay. You are confusing the crap out of me. When I'm done with most of my homework would you mind if I call you then?
AA: I don't mind.

She calls, and I suggest that she comes over to play some NBA Live on XBOX360 (she is really into BBall). She accepts the invitation, and shows up two hours later.

We end up watching a movie, and yet we talk through the first ten minutes of it. She moves around the room glancing at everything, to which I tell her to stop snooping. So, she sits on my bed. Knowing I have to make a move quickly before the magic window closes, I grab her arm...

AA: I have to tell you something.
HB9: What is it? (surprised look on her face).
AA: I am having a hard time not kissing you.
HB9: What?
AA: I feel that I have to kiss you.
HB9: I don't know.
AA: Lets find out if you do...

I kiss close, and it is good. Lasts about 3 minutes.

(*If I may stop for a second and remind the readers that this is the first time we have ever spent time together 1-on-1. She is at my place, and I have kiss closed within 20 minutes of her being there*)

After this she turns her attention back to the movie. I have her lie on my bed, and I give her a massage for about 10 minutes.

After I am done, I say...

AA: Alright woman, my turn, get up...
HB9: Your turn?
AA: Of course, what did you think that I was just doing that for the hell of it?
HB9: Okay.

She then proceeded to give me the shittiest back massage I have ever gotten. ahaha.

For the remaining time she was in my room, we basically just made out off and on, and got somewhat touchy feely.

***Here is the clincher....at one point I was on top of her on the bed and we were getting hot and heavy. I go to take her shirt off, and she applies the brakes, of course, and starts talking about why she doesn't want to move to fast. Blah, blah, blah, blah,...

She tells me she just broke up with her bf a few days ago, and also tells me what she is looking for. Says she won't sleep with a guy unless she knows he takes her seriously.

Then she clammed up, so I did the same....trying to remain the prize. It worked to an extent. Not in the extent that I f-closed, but that she re-escalated back to where we were previously.

At about 9:30pm I told her she had to go because I was going to the bar with my friend and his fiance. I walk her to her car, she leaves.

Later that night, at about 1130pm, she sends me this text....

HB9: I like your kisses.
(no response from me)
HB9: You should kiss and nibble all over.
(about 30 minutes later)
AA: Yes, I should.
(20 minutes later)
AA: You should spend the night then.
(no response from her)

I call her at about 1215am and tell her that she should come over and stay the night. She said it is not a good idea because we hardly know eachother. I say, for her to come over and get to know me then. She says no. I say that I will behave myself if she can, and she still says no.

*Fuck this shit* I tell her I have to go, and that I will talk to her later. She says okay, and I sense she was a little frustrated with me as well.

I get a 'good morning' text this morning at about 9am from her. I reply with a 'good morning' roughly 90 minutes later. She calls me at about 11am to say hi before she goes into work.

I ask her how she slept, and she says she got a late call from me and doesn't remember what we talked about because she had been very tired (BULLSHIT! ), and that she got a call from a friend at 4am. I tell her she would have slept better had she stayed the night with me, and she says AGAIN that we don't know eachother that well. Also says that she would not look that great to my roommates if she stayed the night when we don't really know eachother. To this I said that this doesn't matter because I have had women stay the night before, and it is not a problem with the roommates.

She continues...

HB9: Sounds like you've got the hots for me...
AA: And you for me as well...
HB9: Your a cool guy...
AA: Yeah, you're okay...
(She laughs in an odd (uncomfortable?) way)
AA: Alright, well I am going to let you go, because I have things to do...talk to you later.
HB9: (disappointed sounding?) Okay. Bye

I hang up.

FUCK MAN! GAMES!

IN CLOSING...

1. Do I want to have a relationship right now?
In a way, my new years resolution is to attempt to have a normal relationship again...last one being over two years ago.

2. Do I want a serious relationship?
No, just something more than a one night stand. But, unfortunately she did mention at one point that she is not looking for a FB.

3. Do I fault her for not putting out?
No, I need to build more comfort, and hopefully it happens within the next 2-3 times we hang out....

Ultimately, I am not mad that I did not get any, because I haven't really built much comfort. I am simply pleased that I escalated quickly and properly, and was not a pussy. So, the question is now, what is going to be that best way for me to build comfort given the current situation.


OKAY, IM READY...

ADVICE ME BITCHES!~

-ace-
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Old 02-03-2008, 11:59 AM
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don't verbalize sex until you know what youre doing
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Old 02-06-2008, 05:07 AM
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to expound, when you say to a girl "spend the night with me" over teh PHONE you are pretty much guaranteeing that she will not meet up with you. ASD is way too high. I said when you're a beginner you can't verbalize sex because when you're a bit better you'll learn how to sexually frame and walk the line of saying things like "I'm gonna fuck you til you can't walk", but not setting off any asd alarms
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Old 02-08-2008, 03:47 AM
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That "respect..." was really uncalled for :V
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:22 PM
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That "respect..." was really uncalled for :V
How so, if you don't mind me asking.

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Old 02-14-2008, 08:03 AM
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Hi Ace,

Let me contribute abit to this. First and foremost, ur already on the right track to a fclose. Congrats for that. I should however point out to the mistakes you made:-
1. When you replied with "You should spend the night then", you engaged her logical mind, thats why she did not reply. Although if you had involved her emotional side, maybe by concentrating more with how the kisses felt, that would have been better.
2. Calling her and telling her to come over and spend the night directly, thats a no-no. It has the same effect as 1 above, involving her logical side, and thats why she will always answer that you dont know each other well. The best way to approach it is tell her to come over for a movie/game/dinner/whatever and escalate. Do not ask directly but rather physically escalate.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:01 AM
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you broke a golden rule. You said "I have had girls sleep over before and my roommates didnt mind" you basically just kissed and told...Dont do that!

You may have escalated to fast...especially since she just got out of a relationship. Try bouncing next time.. Tell her to meet you at your place and from there go eat or something...and try some humor!! your report was boring as hell to read!
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:48 PM
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Thanks for all the feedback guys...I have f-closed twice now, and it is on the steady tracks towards a good Fbuddy relationship.

I did learn more w/ this one though, especially regarding the use of more humor (thanks for the note RunMan).
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Old 02-26-2008, 08:21 PM
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AA: You should spend the night then.
(no response from her)


That's where you screwed up. I didn't read anything after that point because you're practically gone right there.

You are giving her LOGICAL reason to stay. When you do that, it only brings up more LOGICAL reasons not to stay. Last minute resistance tactics are meant to BYPASS the LOGICAL mind of a woman, like a hacker would bypass a firewall. What you were doing is not bypassing, but RUNNING HEAD ON. You started being needy because when you said "you should spend the night then", it sounded like.... have sex with me, I'll give you money!.. begging-like.

Next time, don't freeze out.. you were getting there. If she says that she doesn't want sex.. say.. yeah I understand, you shouldn't have sex with me.. you know what else you shouldn't do.. stick out your tongue.. *suck on her tongue*, Mmm you shouldn't do that either. I mean, I don't do this often either.. I'm not that type of person..I wasn't given a rulebook on how to live life.. but.. it just seems so right. This is from Mystery, I separated two of his LMR tactics and combined them to form this. This should get past LMR. His original one was.. after you suck on her tongue, you finger her and say.. I shouldn't be doing this right now, you shouldn't be letting me.. you're such a bad girl.. *she giggles* =P you're in!

Or you can combine them all =P Just don't beg.. please...I'm begging you

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