Mirror Mirror

[orgasmatron]

This post is for all people who use mirroring during comfort stage.
The purpose of physically mirroring a woman is to escalate the emotions of trust and comfort.
Unfortunately this method is barely touching the surface of what it trully can be.
This can be the most powerful method for generating trust and comfort by using your body.
The current method of mirroring using NLP to create trust and comfort has not been explained
in detail plus the explanation on how to do it is not very clear.
So instead I am introducing my way of mirroring, I will use the NLP vocabulary to try to describe
what I do and to make things easier to understand.
So, we have 3 brains Human Brain, Mammalian Brain, Reptillian Brain.
A very long time ago we did not have a Human Brain but a Mammalian brain. We did not have
spoken language but we used our bodies to communicate basic emotions and messages
to each other.
Today we still have animals that use their body language to communicate with each other.
We on the other hand have a Human brain and we talk to each other. But guess what, your
Mammalian Brain has a conversation with every person you walk by every day without
you being aware of it.
As you walk by a person your Mammalian Brain says hello as you walk by a total stranger.
The message of hello is a body anchor that is transmitted by you and vice versa.
You had a conversation just as if you said verbally hello and the person responded by saying hello.
But the conversation happend with an exchange of body anchors.
For example you can have multiple anchors for the word "yes".
Ask a person the same question that they would answer yes to. You can
pick up multiple physical body anchors for the word yes. Each person has their own
innate and custom anchors that have been created over time.
So the problem with mirroring using the NLP is that you are physically mirroring body movents
( Body Anchors) but you don't know what emotional states they represent.
Lets take a trip back to grade school. Remember just before two boys starting to fight?
Boy1: One boy would stand tall and trust out his chest while swinging his arms back.
Boy2: Then the other boy would do the same thing.
Boy1: Now the first boy who initiated the chest thrust pushes with both hands the other boy.
Boy2: The boy that has been pushed pushes back
Now the fists start to fly and the fight is on.
What you have seen is an escalation of anger using body anchors.
This is what mirroring is all about.
There is no such thing as rapport.... there is sending and receiving.
But you must first identify which anchors you want to transmit
and not transmit anchors that have emotional states that you do want to escalate.
You can have a woman that is having a bad day and she is transmitting bad emotional
state anchors and if you mirror her you will escalate her bad emotional state. You are
thinking rapport and she is getting worst.
So if you notice a hot woman laughing and happy make note of her anchors and be
ready to transmit them during C stage. If she is pissed at some AFC don't use any
of the anchors she is transmitting because those anchors are bad emotional state anchors.
Now during C stage, you must receive the good emotional state anchor from her first and wait 1
minute to repond with the same good emotional state anchor. You can also be the first to transmit good emotional state anchor and see if she replies with the same one. But it is better to follow her anchors first then over time you can transmit her anchor and she will respond to the same anchor.
Don't do it at the same time with your target. It is like 2 people saying the same thing at the
same time during a whole verbal conversation.
That is why verbal mirroring is more effective because it is a conversation where one says one
thing first then the other person takes their turn in speaking.
For those of you who are into NLP this will be easy to implement during pickup because you
already know how to look for anchors.
Physical Body Anchors are more powerful because they are from the Mammalian Brain
where the pre-selection switches are located in women.
Using Verbal Mirroring is not as effective because it is a Human Brain activity. Mammalian Brain
methods are more permanent and faster than Human Brain methods of seduction. It is no
coincidence that great pickup artists have good body language. But it is really a language
that can send and receive just like verbal conversations.
Now I have to say, be very, very careful with this stuff. You can create too much comfort and trust.
If you do that, you will have a stalker on your hands in no time.
This method of comfort and trust in C stage will not be detectable by your target. It is not The
Cube, Palm Reading or Handwriting Analysis.
So if you practiced NLP for some time, You can implement this immediately and validate it in the
field.
Please let me know what results you are getting during C stage with this method. Remember talk about any material you want verbally during C stage and remember to also have a body anchor conversation with her at the same time.
Happy Hunting.
-Orgasmatron

[Sheek]

Very, very good post!
I've studied NLP for a while now, and even the experts don't explain it this well. Rep for you!
By the way, about the brains section: just in case anyone is wondering, this is all 100% true. You HAVE 3 brains, and they're wrapped around each other. The first is your "R Complex" brain, which is still present in reptiles like snakes & lizards. This is responsible for instincts.
The second is your "limbic system," which is responsible for emotions - mood, memory, etc. Dogs, horses, cats, and most mammals have this.
The third is your "neocortex," which is responsible for higher-level logic and language. This allows for ideas, imagination, and planning, as well as social interactions and language.

[orgasmatron]

Hey guys,
I been getting many questions about NLP.
First of all I do not practice NLP. What I do is similar to NLP but the method to apply changework is totally different from NLP.
Now NLP has been handed down to us almost like Chinese Whispers.
In Chinese Whispers one person starts the original message and whipers it to another person. Then that person whispers the message over to another person. After some time the original message becomes modified or lost.
This is what I believe has happened in some way to what Milton Erickson created. A couple of Ph.D's took Erickson's work and wrote some books and made some money. Then workshops and made some money too. Then rebranding and repackaging the message. If you ever bought a video on NLP like I have many of them it takes 30 minutes to get to the freaking point. What can be said in one sentence takes 30 minutes during a seminar.
So basically you have to read a ton of books in order to get 30 pages worth of the actual knowledge about NLP.
Now NLP does work. There have been people who modified some of the NLP tactics for seduction work.
The only problem I have with NLP is that it works for a short period of time and in order to make the anchors you created in your target permanent you have to use proggressive conditioning methods over a period of time.
My method is to use lifetime anchors of my target to escalate specific emotional states by transmitting her anchors back to her. Thus it works better than NLP and the effects are more permanent.
If I ask you to remember the most painful moment of your life and ask to relive it in your mind. What happens is that you reinforce that pain because your reliving it in your mind. By recalling something you reinforce it.
So guess what happens when you go to a Freudian Psycho(ANAL)yst. You feel worst. Knowing the source or cause of your pain will not make it go away. The rational approach to helping people does not work because humans have Mammalian Brains too.
For those who enjoy pain and suffering you can buy any books by Milton himself and there are videos of him doing his work on subjects.
Any NLP book on creating anchors will help explain what they are so you can spot them on a person.
For example if a woman is laughing in a happy state she may swing her head back to the left. Another woman for her happy state wiggles her thumb. Each person is different because they all have different life experiences.
Some anchors are universal an innate like when all babies around the world smile they feel happy. Other anchors are created over a lifetime.
Now about books... There are no books in existance for what I know...
There is one book by an author that has similiar conventions:
Book is: Monsters and Magical Sticks: There's no such thing as hypnosis
BY: Steven Heller & Terry Steele
This an easy book to read compared to Erickson's original works. I recommend both just to get the feel of things.
-Orgasmatron

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[Malibu]

excellent Post. if I could add something about mirroring on a different note. During comfort as you have said mirroring is good to build comfort.
However in attract phase it is good to reverse mirror. this is discussed in Thundercats Art of Approaching. When you open a set...how many times have you seen a girl fold her arms or cross her legs...sit upright etc etc etc...this is all part of negative body language...do you mirror her?...no...do the opposite of what she is doing...opn legs slightly...lean back and comfortable slouching slightly..arms open and wave them around if you want.
What does this do...it pulls her into your frame and opens her up...then when your in comfort...mirroring takes charge as orgasmatron original post.
cheers

How To Eliminate Your Fear Of Approaching Women

[orgasmatron]

Orgasmatron here with more PUA Crack for those who need it.
90% of the game is played in the C stage- Mystery
Why?
We are heard animals and scared animals.
We feel safer in a heard.
We look for non-threatening friends for our heard.
We look for safe people.
We are always broadcasting anchors to others.
The whole purpose of our broadcasting anchors is to find other people who are
sympathetic towards us and to be safe with.
People do this everyday looking for safe people.
We suspect any person we don't know.
Constant fear and threat assesements are being made by people.
We find patterns that are safe to function in.
We find people to have patterns with.
This is done in order to avoid being fearful.
Ex: on the second day of a new class you sit in the same place you sat in the first day of class.
Ex: A woman moves to a new city she needs to have new friends to feel safe from fear.
We have a whole gland dedicated to one emotion: FEAR
This is why mirroring in C stage Orgasmatron style is necessary and effective.
Field Mission Validation Time!
1. Go to a bookstore.
2. Sitdown within the field of vision of your target at a right angle. You must be in their line of sight unblocked by anything.
3. Don't look at her. Read her anchors with your peripheral vision.
4. Pick out an anchor just one anchor she has. Ex: jerks her foot, Blink rate, Facial expressions. lifts her drink to her mouth.
5. Transmit this one anchor ( Ex. Foot Jerking) back to her once every 2 minutes for a period of 6 to 10 minutes. Do not contaminate your transmition. You must remain totally still while transmitting her anchor back to her. You can move somewhat during the non transmition periods.
6. After 6 to 10 minutes of this, test is she follows one of your own anchors.Ex: Raise shoulder once.
7. See if she reponds to your anchor. Wait a few minutes to get your response. If she does not
repeat process.
You are basically following her and getting her to follow you ( Your anchor) if you fail to lead your
target you will get a stalker instead. Be careful.
What should happen is that your target opens you " don't I know you from somewhere?"
Already in C stage.
Or you can go and open her. Does not matter what she looks like. Supermodel etc...
Also repeat process on a total of 5 different women.
FR's please.
-Orgasmatron

[FORGE G]

i read the posts within this thread the other days and i applied it when on spring break in miami subltly and results were fantastic. it helped establish great rapport and connection with this hb 9 (miami women are some of the worlds greatest btw) while on the beach. i ran the normal game with an opinion opener about getting a tattoo to remember the trip (since she had one of those on her lower back) and i mirrored her excitement and emotions. to make a long story short, great lay that night and i have the invite to do it again and again when i come back. but who nows, is there even a need for a repeat in a land of bikinis and sexy tan skin? miami is a buffet of all sorts friends. FORGE G

[Harlequin]

This is one of the best threads I have ever read, anywhere. Harlequin/Harmony, any jitsu I am known for, is all about the use of all three brains & the three bodies, Physical, Etheric, Astral, & the further three levels of consciousness, sub-conscious, conscious & supra-conscious.
The angels refer to us as the three brained beings; something of an in-joke since the Dragons have three brains physically, all three are reptilian & we came along & wiped them out almost to extinction. Did I just write almost... yes. There are things in this world that you are convinced of, without actually researching yourself. This is the great disease of our age; our separation from the truth. This self-inflicted disease threatens to destroy us.
We are heading for an Emotional/Spiritual revolution. A return to the advanced stated we were intended for. One of the things I love about MM is that Mystery, by acknowledging our evolutionary wiring has created a field of understanding that is easy to accept & work with. NLP is the tip of the iceberg. There are things we are not yet ready for, ways of using the mind & the emotion to greater effect. Our great inhibitor, the brain will not unlock the rest of itself until we are ready. Amongst all the people in the world, people like yourself, people who question what is not working & pursue a workable action with a capable body & intention aligned to the plan of the highest of beings, these people will be among the first to encounter the great beta test that is coming to us.
I am all too aware that since allowing replies in this forum, people are hi-jacking the best of threads. Forgive me this one transgression. Carry on questioning, carry on acknowledging that not everything is working to its full potential. Continue to read, assimilate & apply. Then by your experiences with this knowledge shall wisdom find you, & that will give you the means to get to where you are aiming for.
What are you aiming for? I know what it is that you are aiming for & let me reassure you... you cannot miss it, for it is so very... big.
You cannot lose in this game. You are all playing it just by being here & there are no real losers. Eventually we all will win. Every one of you right here, right now, has an advantage. Because you question things & find the answers, you are no longer the products of your past... you are the producers of the future.

[orgasmatron]

Originally Posted by FORGE G

i read the posts within this thread the other days and i applied it when on spring break in miami subltly and results were fantastic. it helped establish great rapport and connection with this hb 9 (miami women are some of the worlds greatest btw) while on the beach. i ran the normal game with an opinion opener about getting a tattoo to remember the trip (since she had one of those on her lower back) and i mirrored her excitement and emotions. to make a long story short, great lay that night and i have the invite to do it again and again when i come back. but who nows, is there even a need for a repeat in a land of bikinis and sexy tan skin? miami is a buffet of all sorts friends. FORGE G

FORGE G,
Congrats man! few people take such postive action in the field and get the job done.
Welcome to the Dark Side of The PUA Force....
People have been messaging me about spotting the anchors on their targets. If you are not an NLP person you can focus on the following.
Observe your target and at the very highest point of the emotional state, this is when you can spot the anchors. If she is listening to a joke then after the punch line she laughs thats when you will see her anchors. Some typical anchors is the clasping of the hands, rocking her upper body back with head swinging back. Other women they collapse their upper body falling foward etc...
Alright then we have one FR so far come on guys...
-Orgasmatron

[El_Burro]

One variant of mirroring would be to look for when a girl is obviously "getting lost in the part" when talking to you. You'll get this vague, but powerful feeling of "Gee she is really doing the cutsie-bit over the top here". This of course should be your signal to commence teasing her, mercilessly.
Since FRs were requested, here's one that resonates. This girl at the gym (about 25 y.o.) began sitting next to me on the exercycles. Ole girl "stepped to me like she knew me." But she had this habit when I'd make her laugh of rolling her eyes and putting her nose high in the air--I mean really cocking it up there! So after about the third day of this bantering-while-pedaling dynamic, I'd been waiting for the right time to bust out the eye-rolling and nose-cocking on HER. Of course she didn't catch it at first (women flatter themselves about how much more perceptive they are than guys, but that simply does not tally with my personal experiences. On the whole they're a pretty brittle and dense lot. Sorry if that offends anyone's delicate sensibilities). But once she did understand I was imitating/mocking her---oh the reaction was PRICELESS! She actually tried to defend herself, saying she had been in a car accident, hurting her neck, which forced her to put her nose in the air like she did-----*shyeah!*
After that, there was no getting rid of this girl! She kept inviting me to "after work cocktails" (I didn't work with her!) etc etc, and selling herself on how she was saving up for a house, and how she was a one-man woman---even though I was never going there by a country mile. Unbelievable.
"Couldn't get her off my jock, she was, like static cling...."
Moral of the story: look for the opportunities, boys. The girls will offer 'em up to you on a silver platter. It's up to you to recognize and respond accordingly.
Burro out.

[orgasmatron]

El Burro,
Good Job Man!
But like I said here before, If you do too much comfort with this mirroring you run the risk
of creating a STALKER.
So you can back off the mirroring once you FClose her. Don't keep doing it!
This method of influence can not be detected by your target unless you tell her
that you are doing it. Also women can not defend themselves against this type of emotional
escalation unless they are legally blind. Then you have to resort to verbal methods.
Now for those of you that think all this in a bunch of B.S.
I was watching the Discovery Channel the other day watching a guy who breaks in wild
horses. By only using his body language to create comfort and trust with the horse, now
he is able to get the horse broken in within 15 to 30 minutes.
He is able to then just put a saddle on the horse for the first time and ride the horse
with no problem.
That's right comfort and trust between a human and a horse. ( I know you are thinking
about a sick joke here... now stop it. I don't teach that stuff)
My point is that this Mammalian Brain comfort and trust building works between men
and women. Now as of today we almost have 10,000 members here in this board.
Only 2 FClose FR's here. Stop the KJ stuff and get in the field and report
the good, the bad and the ugly.
I never met a guy who would not mind being stalked by all the girls in the
Victoria's Secret catalog.... so what are you waiting for. Get the MM Ebook
get in the field now...
Also I would suggest reading all the posts that I have written on this board as well.
Happy Hunting!
-Orgasmatron