An Open Letter to Game Haters

[Sy]

Gents, I have placed this here for exposure and because I believe a newbie reading this may gain some confidence to go out in the field in the face of adversity
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To Whom It May Concern:
As the seduction community becomes more open and in the mainstream, it seems young men who are tying its techniques for the first few times are been crucified by the media and a large number within society. These guys who have never had success with women are being punished by society for trying to improve their lives. They are working hard to achieve a goal and the firs thing society does is turn around and say STOP. If they were advancing ANYTHING other than their success with women, we'd be all for it. If the community was a fashion community women would think its adorable... yet the seduction community is assumed to be full of tricksters.
I personally take offence with this view, I have never intentionally misled a woman I care about enough to sleep with. Nor shall I. Running routines is such a tiny part of what game is about, these guys have never talked to women before, how can they expect to "be themselves" and be successful with women. Yet this is seen as tricking a woman into bed, and something to watch out for. These guys have to learn somehow, they are the guys that couldn't get a woman, and now someone gave them tools THAT WORK, and we turn around and tell them they're wrong? This absurd, unfair and hypocrisy of the must unjust nature.
There is a belief in society that "who you are" cannot be wrong. Your opinions can be wrong, your beliefs can be but who you are is something you have to stay true to. Who you are can be a neurotic mess, but you should still "be yourself just not neurotic", this is clearly absurdity. I am still me, I still feel the same emotions I just know how to handle social situations better. This doesn't invalidate my emotions at all. The fact that these men are using a routine to pick someone up is the exact same as girls who make their boyfriends do stupid magazine tests. It is meaningless fun designed to show you a side of a guy you would ordinarily not look at.
Women have long complained that they keep going for the wrong guy. So finally the guys who are right for them find a way to get the attention of attractive women, and how does society respond? It doesn't like it one bit! What are we not supposed to rise above our physical station?! Not on my watch. These are the guys who haven't had women their whole lives, these are the guys who can actually bring depth to a relationship. They are the most deserving on the planet they are TRYING HARD to overcome the crap YOU in society have forced down their throat. They WILL become successful whether you like it or not because this stuff WORKS. When they do, they will K-NOW that they don't need routines ANYMORE because they have become someone who is CONFIDENT with women.
They will be being themselves when they have LEARNED HOW TO. Many people expect quiet and shy people to actually be like that deep down, to not have any real personality. This to me is society’s real crime. This is something society should be ASHAMED of. It has been forcing these guys the wrong message for decades, and now it tries to blame us for helping them? I don't accept it. How come it is ok to learn how to progress in your career? It is ok to learn how to dress well? It is ok to learn how to be good at sports? Yet suddenly when we learn how to be good with women we become tricksters? This is pure hypocrisy
I will fight the corner of any guy who is the unfortunate recipient of negative comment or abuse for their efforts to improve their social life. I start with this letter.
To the Gents in the community just starting out. Do not let people who discourage you get you down or stop you. They don't want you to be successful with women; they don't believe it’s possible, but we know different. You can learn to share the beauty of a woman as a person and physically, and your life will be better for it. Long live routines, long live the game, long live Mystery Method.
Use this letter whenever you need it, please feel free to sign it also.
Signed
Simon Taylor (Syren)

[Pied_piper]

I couldnt agree more with Syren about this, it has done nothing but help, and it is improving my confidence and along the way I have made some great friends.
Some people won't understand the game concept, I've tried to explain and they dont understand, even though I know they will learn soo much from it.
People will always hate the game and the people in it, and as Stallion says we are here to mke our lives better allround.
Routines are the start, they are proven ways to get you going, and as you get better your reliance on them will get less and less, and there is nothing wrong with using a routine, as it gets the inital result you are after, and after a while you will have some routines based on your own life or you wont even need them at all as your confidence and frame will shine through and do all the talking you need.
I have learnt soo much and been inspired by soo many people on here.
Example: Baby Girl has inspired me to on my lunch break to ask an opinion on something while I am in Asda, 3 days in a row I've had a quick 2 sec convo with a woman (they all seem to be mums in my Asda lol), its all a step in the right direction.
I could list millions of examples from the sarges I've had with people from the forum/lair, but that is for another time/post.
Thats my 2 pence worth on the matter.

[royal]

Magnificent thread. I also believe the main reason why mostly male friends see this PUA hobby as morally unjustified mainly lies in the fact that we work like the hypothesis of darwins theory. Survival of the fittest. Everytime I take a cab home from the club with a HB and my friends all by themselves take the sub home, they experience a sense of failure and therefore believe. Jealousy is what triggers other people around us PUA's
royal

[Scotty]

I'm going to add to this by asking 3 questions:
1) Why do these women hate the Methods?
2) The woman still has the choice!
3) Why do you care?
Why do these women hate the Methods?
The reason why society doesn't want you to succeed is that it there are certain people out there that gain advantages of from other peoples failure.
There are many women out there that believe that they will meet a man due to fate, and it will all just "Happen" not according to any plan. They don't like the idea that a man is using tactics to "Get Her". (What
When you ask women about men that are good with women (Naturals) they will tell you "Oh that's just what they were born with". Bollocks. Naturals are built either from or all of; heightened perception, decent role models, and different life experiences. Are we bad people because we are starting the journey slightly later?
Why is it that when a natural figures it out for himself its ok, but as soon as he teaches it to someone else it becomes wrong?
Routines/Methods are a training wheel in personal development.
Why shouldn't every man have the opportunity to have love, companionship, and feel great?
Why do you need these materials to "Trick" a girl into bed? Hell, guys have been doing that since the dawn of time. Simple you don’t – that’s what deceptive people do.
There are many great guys out there that don't get a chance with girls that they like because when she's around they get all goofy, nervous and act like little boys. Meanwhile the girls are attracted to the "Jerks" and wonder why they can never meet a decent guy.
All these materials do is teach the nice guys to act like in an attractive manor to the women so that she gets the chance to know him for the nice, caring and warm person that he is.
Is a woman incapable of making her own decisions?
A woman talks of a man "Tricking" her into bed.
"Trick?"
You could imagine that a Mystery Method pupil after he's had sex "Ha Ha!" as he jumps up from the bed "I tricked you, I'm REALLY a NICE guy!! Ha Ha! How could you be so stupid?!" As he grabs his clothes and runs out of the room.
These women need to get a grip and realise that they are responsible for their own actions.
Why do you care?
The fact is the women by putting up these objections are making you feel a lesser being, making you feet deceitful, and what you are doing is wrong. Be true to your frame, be congruent to your new found personal development path and let it slide off your back. You are trying to better yourself and the quality of your life. Why should you feel bad or apologise for that?

[Vapor]

I disagree, in that getting offended at society's attitude is about as useful as yelling at the sky. This also opens the door to some inner game issues.
You don't have to look too hard to see that that a lot of what society does is designed to reign in men's behavior. It is everywhere, even among our AFC friends who don't like PU. Rejecting society's constraints and going in another direction is going to cause a negative reaction. That is absolutely inevitable, and the best frame to have is to be unapologetic. Am I sorry? No. Do I feel misunderstood? I don't know, I don't care if they understand me. Offended? Nope, if they think negatively about this stuff then they are weak, lame and/or stupid, and their hating is a reflection on them, not me.
Don't be offended, don't care. You don't see Style throwing a hissy fit (not that you are) on The View. He is unapologetic, and if people don't like their perception of him (and that's all it is), he doesn't care.

[Hypnovibe]

The thing most of you guys will eventually realize is that the underlying meaning and energy behind these methods are already a part of you...you just needed to bring them out....and who cares if your more social than the average person? If someone doesnt like it thats a flaw in our society today...not a flaw in you. Rock on! Theres no need to shake your fist at others...they just dont understand. If I started talking to you about how energy draws to your reality some of you would think I was a moron....so why waste your time worrying about others that dont drink from your drinking water? thats why a site like this is pure gold!

[obie]

Why spend time and energy qualifying ourselves to the haters and society at large when we can be using our time for other more important things?
Fuck em.

[TheDuke]

Originally Posted by Kid-A

Surely the knowledge base shows the moment you feel the need to validating something and give in to that then it will start to lose value in others eye's.

But the point of Syren's post wasn't to convince the haters and validate what we are doing so much as it was to reinforce any doubts that potential rAFCs were having. To those of us who have embraced the community and this movement, of course, we don't give a shit what other people think because we are beyond those concerns now. However, it's not hard to believe that there are those moderately intrigued but, due to their nascent exposure to this material, may still feel confused about the material because of the hypocritical and prehistoric morays that society has raised us with. To me, this post is to let those people know that there is nothing to be ashamed of for taking steps towards improving yourself, building your confidence and presenting the best version of yourself to the world that you can.

[Sy]

Indeed TheDuke you have nailed it. There are a lot of guys out there, whom I know from experience are struggling with negative feedback from people in their lives. They may have LSE issues or otherwise, but regardless I wanted to speak out for them. I have found myself helping them, and I thought one open letter could be more powerful than indvidualised help.

[Kid-A]

In that case I totally agree with the sentiments in the post.
If you think it's bad then I think you're a being a little naive. Firstly, most high pressure sales people use these sorts of things already (ie; knowledge of social patterns) - conciously or not. Secondly you are not even selling something people do not want. You are learning how to give people what they want.