The Omega Male for Generation Y

[legonz]

It's discussion time. My readings on what Mystery has said in the past has lead me to believe certain things. You may either agree with some of this, little of this, or think I'm way out in left field. Others of you (and I hope you do) will see this as a rephrasing of that Mystery turned himself into. I've been dreading posting this all week, but I've got to do it.
It's just like the blood type-
A + B = O
Most of the other PUAs came in during the late 90s and fall into a different age group than the current batch of fledgling seductors. These are guys that experienced quite a different upbringing. They may be only 5 to 10 years older, but the boom of the Computer Age created a rift between the generations that gives the two groups different sorts of problems. There are both roughly the same amount of alpha males and beta males in each generation, but I've noticed a distinctly different reason as to WHY people fall into each group. In the past, every group had its alpha male. All followers then became beta under that circumstance. But wait, isn't an alpha male ALWAYS an alpha male? No, not necessarily. Take an alpha male out of his clique and he's hopelessly lost and incompetent.
The same occurs for generation Y, but in a different way. We grew up in a world where beta males retreated to the internet. Our alpha males are also less clearly defined, due to the new grey area with cliques. The head of the football team may also now be the head of the Japanese club, though, we still have the same problem where an alpha male is not necessarily always alpha. When you take him out of his group, he falters. What makes an alpha male what he is are the people that follow him. What should seperate an alpha male from the rest of the pack is the alpha himself. I'm going to come out and say something that I've realized, and you have all the freedom in the world to disagree with me- you don't want to be an alpha male. You don't want to be the guy who isn't seen as a leader outside of his small social group. You want to be the man who can enter any group and quickly assert his dominance. The biggest positive alpha male quality, in my opinion, is the confidence required by a group leader- to say or do the things that everyone is thinking but are too afraid to take action on because of the fear of disapproval. You have to take the alpha male's confidence level. Many beta males in the past developed important qualities to survive in an alpha world. When I was a child, I developed a sense of humor that allowed me to enter into a group with general acceptance. I wasn't the alpha male, but I had my use, so I was allowed to stick around. You have to take the beta male's competency in an area to show your social value.
You want to be an alpha male for his social proof
You want to be a beta male for his value to the group
So why don't I want to be an alpha male? Why is it a misnomer to call the Pick Up Gurus alpha males?
At the club-
*What do you see a beta male doing? They're always seen with a beer in their hand, watching everyone else having fun, and HOPING that a girl approaches them.
*What do you see an alpha male doing? They're always seen with their social group. They're either playing pool with their buddies or preying on the women outside of the dance floor, because they don't feel competent enough to do a dance floor pickup. Why don't they normally do a dance floor pickup? Because they haven't established a competency at it, because (unless they're in some dance organization), that competency exists outside of their social group.
*It's the new type of male that will work consistently to analyze and create a new competency.
Manner of dress-
*What do you see a beta wearing? Anything that doesn't make him stand out. He doesn't want anyone else to see his imperfections.
*What do you see an alpha wearing? That same tired-ass pink polo shirt with the collar turned up, along with two or three Livestrong bands. Within the next few weeks (if it hasn't permeated suburban fashion already) every alpha male will be wearing a t-shirt and a suit jacket along with jeans. Do you know why? It's the same reason that the beta does it.
*This new, different breed of male is unafraid to wear something that will bring attention because he knows he has imperfections and couldn't care less about them.
Emotions-
What seperates your typical alpha/beta from the new breed? Quite simply, it's the charisma lacking in others that brings anyone listening, looking, or experiencing to feel the way the PUA intends. The basketball captain can pump up his team before the game, but can his excitement pump up the Model UN club?
Where I diverge from others-
Why wouldn't you AMOG?
Why fight with an alpha male when you're clearly in a different league than he is? Why lower your social status over one single girl when you, the new breed of male, can get any other desireable woman in that club? When you argue with someone, you lower yourself to AT LEAST their level.
What I'm saying is, maybe you don't want to transform yourself into what you envision an alpha male to be and entirely strip yourself of all the remaining pieces of what made you interesting. The ladder from beta to alpha to "omega" doesn't appear to be a 1-2-3 step process. Social proof + social value + knowing what to care about = success.
On another note, I've noticed that much of my past failings have occurred because I'm results driven. That's an alpha characteristic in me. I see a goal; I'll do anything and destroy anything in my way to reach that goal. The most successful people are process oriented. They enjoy going through the steps in order to accomplish something. As you've read just about every PUA write- if you're just going through the motions and all you can visualize is the goal, then you'll end up too farsighted to accomplish anything to the level that you want it. To get a girlfriend, you're going to have to enjoy approaching her. You're going to have to enjoy the remaining As and the Cs. You're going to have to enjoy the timebridge. You're going to have to enjoy every single step that you make until you accomplish your goal.
I'm noticing this stuff and realizing that the gap between me and where I want to be is so much farther off than I thought, but I'm still excited about it.

[switchblade]

THANK YOU! I am glad some has finally recognized and openly stated that there is a difference in my generation(i'm 21). I feel like you have named what I already felt but couldn't define. I can amog but why? sometimes for fun but not to be the alpha male. When I go out I am in every social group from gay guys too fashion models and hardcore rockstar types. And they all except me as someone that is great to be around. I wear outrageous clothing but it's me I feel like I put my own take on what the ALPHA should wear. I wear a siut coat but with black gloves a vintage rock t-shirt, painted nails and I have alot of facial piercing's and tattoo's. I dress like you can't put me in a category. I like being differen't. I want to be beta when I need to be but be alpha when it count's. but mostly I am there to ENJOY myself and the poeple around me. I feel better now just say I'm OMEGA.
Thank you alot.
I say to the best of!

[Remy LeBeau]

You know Gonz, you've really made a fantastic post. It's almost a discovery of sorts and you've hit on a lot of key issues in the field today. I have to say though, your outline has a hole in it which makes me though impressed, resistant.
To define an Alpha male as one without power outside of his social group is wrong. I believe the true Alpha males move from wherever they want to wherever they are going and they demonstate their superior social and powerful qualities everywhere. I don't believe any true Alpha male outside of his social circle is weak. It's like saying If I go sarging without a pack of my friends behind me that I am not alpha, and a woman wont know I'm Alpha.
However, I will say this: I do agree that today's Alpha male, MYSELF, is not what most might think. I am talking about what you called the "new man. " I am renegade. I move from social group to social group and demonstrate myself as alpha in all of them. I have nothing tieing me down. When I move into a set, I may move in alone or with others... but the bottom line is I have confidence pouring out the seems of my pants and women cream at the sight of it. Today's alpha males live outside the rules of society and theres one thing that above all else defines them: Their frame of reality.
I believe that when your frame of reality is so strong that everyone else is simply just a pawn in your chess game, you are above any definition of man because man as we knew it, up until our generation "Y" could rarely be defined by what we are today (or what many of us are striving to be.)
The above that I have writting, the preceding paragraph is hard to understand but I challenge you all to reread it again and you'll see it's significance. You may also believe it to be the truth as I do.
So Gonz, my partner in a new generation of crime, I commend and applaude what you have written above. You have opened my eyes to something I had not previously seen, the difference in a traditional alpha male and what we aim to be here (and what we are.) I hope you can see my points in disagreeing with you slightly and possibly even be moved to adjust your own ideas.
If not, even if we dont see 100% eye to eye, I am glad to be having this intelligent discussion.
The greatest post I've seen in a long while, I salute you.
Remy Lebeau

[legonz]

Renegade or social maverick is a good term. I like that.

[the piper]

switchblade told me to check this out earlier tonight. and you are absolutely right. another of my friends has always been about the whole AMOG alpha beta thing. saying that i am all over the place. but you have come up with somethine that i can really identify with. there are times when i am alpha and other times when i am beta. in his eyes it is "always be alpha" and for me they both work. there are times when being THE GUY is perfect and other times it works better to just be that guy over there on the chair calm cool and collected.

[Sy]

Originally Posted by Gonz

Renegade or social maverick is a good term. I like that.

I've seen harlequin walk into a room of strangers and literally become the alpha in a matter of minutes. This man has social skills mnay could only dream about, yet when he is with people he knows he is the very essence of humble. In effect he is a reverse alpha. This ability to pick and choose your standing within a group is merley a form of social mastery. Wether or not you are the alpha is not defined as a fixed position within a group.
The best way to measure an alpha is not from within a group but from outside it, at any given moment who's bodylanguage and behaviour says alpha? You will find that alters in a lot of groups. In terms of seduction, and game, being alpha simply means being the most socially valuable man in the room and not allowing yourself to look like a chode. The ability to pick and choose your social standing simply demonstrates your high levels of social intelligence and the complexity of human society rather than a new breed of male.
However, should a fight break out watch the true alpha's start to react.

[legonz]

I can see harlequin being like that.
On another note, I think being process-based is a lot more important than I initially had it. The major PUAs who come up and write field reports overanalyze steps. Initially, I felt that it was important to not overanalyze ANYTHING, but I now realize that it's important not to overanalyze a SPECIFIC FEMALE. The whole community is based on process. We overanalyze actions and create a basic method in order to act on possible actions that follow the initial steps.
Being overly analytical of the process is more slow and plodding, but it inevitably creates a better product. The same can be said of writing papers for school, doing law research, or nearly anything else. I'm absolutely sure now that to be an mPUA, you have to be nearly anal-retentive in the analytical stages, and just entirely let go of any overthinking once it's gametime. How can you just let go of overthinking anything when it's gametime? By following a set ritual that becomes second nature, which is exactly what Mystery and the other gurus preach. Why do you have to enjoy the process? Because you'll just give up within a couple weeks, if you hate it. I have to enjoy A2 as much as I enjoy browsing C-Span.org or having sexual relations to have any level of success with that particular step.
For instance, the only people who get really strong and muscular are the ones who enjoy lifting weights, etc. Just saying "I'm going to gain 10 pounds of muscle this month" and making it to the gym on your required days doesn't cut it.

[Remy LeBeau]

Originally Posted by Gonz

Renegade or social maverick is a good term. I like that.

yes indeed. they fit our criteria much better!

[Haplo781]

I'm really intrigued by this concept. I'm a "social butterfly" as some call it, flitting from one group to the next. Once a conversation gets boring, or I don't feel I have anything to contribute to it, or I just don't feel like participating any more, I leave the group and find another. Sometimes I simply listen to others talk, other times I take control of the conversation.
I'd really like to explore this concept further and see what develops. Perhaps we could form a Yahoo group specifically for this purpose so that we can have multiple discussions about it without cluttering these boards?

[legonz]

Nahhhh, I don't want to spin anything off. Especially since the staff is still debating a 21-and-under forum.