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Old 10-10-2006, 12:41 PM
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So I've been asked by a bunch of people to type up some of my thoughts on phone game,
This is mostly stuff I've gathered from other sources so major props go to Mystery, Style and especially Future who has the tightest comfort game of anyone period.
First when to call, I prefer to text the same night if it's really on and if it's not I wait until the next day.
I alway text first, because it's more unobtrusive and an easy way to get your number into her phone giving a higher chance of her picking up when you call.
I usually will try to find some callback humor or point of reference in our conversation so she'll recognize it's me.
EX: Hey George ( callback to Boy name routine) do you know a good place to eat around here?
With txts it's important to make sure you follow her time table and don't respond right awasy when she txts back. Alwasy wait around the same amount of time she waited if not longer.
My main goal is ONLY to establish contact over the phone so it's not weird when I call her tomor.
I will call everyday for about a month to make sure I get in contact as if I can get a girl on the phone I will get her into bed every time.
I leave a hook message the first time:
" Hey bratface, it's Jon I just saw something about x( an interest of hers like surfing etc..) and I wanted to ask you something. Call me back 555-555-5555."
I would rather get a machine then a person as I can gauge how interested she is by how quickly she calls back.
I always leave messages and I never EVER block my number.
If you did your job on the D1 then there is no reason to try to be sneaky to get her on the phone, she should want to talk to you.
I NEVER try to get a girl out on the first phone call.
I call and bust on her, I tell stories( always the same ones BTW), I talk about my passions and what I'm working on and I may begin my grounding sequence.
I never ask what she's doing, what's she's going to do that night etc..
The phone talk ration is almost 90/10 in the begginning as one of the main things a girl is looking for on a call is if there will be awkward silence. Because if it's not fun on the phone, why would she want to see you in person?
Remember to alwasy time constraint your phone calls.
I will also always pick up my call waiting and sometimes I will take fake calls.
Something I learned from Mystery is when you get back from call waiting call her baby and then if she asks why you did that, say "sorry wrong person"
If I have left a message and she hasn't called back , I will vary the times I call at from 3 AM to noon. And I will leave a message everytime. Girls hate when you just call and don't leave a message.
Here's a great secondary VM to leave from Hollywood in NY:
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" Hey it's me, I'm gonna be in and out all day but try to catch me. If not I'll talk to you later."
Once you have not had your intial voicmail don't ask her to call you back again, instead say you'll talk to her later.
When you do get her on the phone, alwasy make her commit to the call, by asking her to put whatever she's doing away for five minutes to talk to you.
At this point I will start my "hijacked my brain campaign" and alternate between teasing, hot/cold, DHV laced stories, and comfort building material.
I'm always looking for her trying to make plans with me. if you are doing well on the phone after a few minutes the girl will ask what you are doing that night.
At this point you should have a DHV laced activity set up, and if not make one up. The absolute wrong answer is " I don't know".
If a girl responds positively to what I'm doing I will invite her to tag along to something I'm doing earlier.
This is money because it's not implying a large commitment of time as I have something to do later.
Another favorite tactic of mine is to call really later at night and talk to her until one of us goes to sleep. This is super money as you'll be the last person on her mind at night and the first in the morning. Make her imagine that you are right next to her while your talking.
I also send out mass good morning and good nite texts once or twice a week.
If you get anyone else on the phone, treat them like you were calling for them.
Say you've heard a lot of good things about them and ask them if they are interested in coming with your target on whatever your time bridge was.
After a few mins of this they should ask you if you want to talk to your target.
What are some topics and themes for the phone ?
Your favorite new song and band, What you are really excited about this week. The funniest thing that just happened to you, Some drama you or a friend are having, Your fav girl centric show( think Gray's anatomy, project runway, etc..) Something you hate or love about the girl, How you met a really cool girl whose name is ... ( here's one of my routines where I talk about how I met an awesome girl, then describe her but change her name to margret or ethel). Your family, and your grounding routine are great here as well.
The phone is a comfort building location, so you can act the exact same way you would in person. It is simply another location in which to game her.
Especially with 5 min or under # closes ( my speciality) you really need to fill in the canvas of your life in order to make her want to see you again.
You can def convince a girl to see you over the phone. But with solid game you shouldn't have to.
Finally something I'm throwing together now is my preliminary phone game structure:
Call
Greeting: I say introduce yourself on the phone, because it will save you the awkward moment if she doesn't remember you. Some guys prefer to say hey it's me or let the girl try to figure it out. IME that is awkward and doesn't work.
Hook story: The funniest thing just happened, I just had the worst meeting ever, I love the Fashion Valley mall etc...
Teasing
Hijacked my brain thread
Talk about what I'm doing that night I'm excited about. Here I wait to see if she asks to come or thinks it's really cool.
Stories
SOI(Statements of interest) about her in some unique fashion that she sees herself.
Future adventure projection: OMG If we are still friends in a month I am having the biggest party, you have to come etc...
Get off the phone simply with " I have to run. I'll talk to you later."
Ok I'm sure there is more but here's a start. I'll update it when I figure out what I do that makes my phone game SOOOO much better than anyone else's I've seen.
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:47 PM
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What are your thoughts on not calling her until she calls you?
Unless you have overwhelming value to her in a very immediate and/or material way, (i.e. you're the lead singer in her favorite band, you're a casting agent and she's... well... in Los Angeles) a bona fide hot girl will not call you back without sufficient proof that you are a money guy, as a rule. Set up the frame that she wants you. Set up the frame that you are the prize. Set up the frame that she's too horny and that she shouldn't get any ideas when you ask her to touch your arm, etc. But it's a tactical error to be more concerned with the appearance of neediness and "alpha"ness than actions that actually bring you closer to a meeting.
Your mileage may vary-- or you are dating ugly girls-- but if hot girls are calling you back right away, you're leaving something important out of the equation when you write your field reports. For 99% of men, 99% of the 8.5+'s running around will not make the first phone call.
I have dated numerous girls who only acceded to a real meeting after a phone call. The time bridge is an illusion for the most part, since no sane girl has a real reason to meet up with you in the far or near future based on a twenty minute interaction.
Since I use essentially the same routine for my first or second phone calls, I don't mind posting it here. If the initial pick-up went extremely well AND I mentioned that I smoke weed / like getting drunk-- which I usually throw in around comfort-- I'll use this on a first phone call. Otherwise, I'll wait and make sure she's receptive to a second phone call and use it
"This is Future. I'm about to get very high, and I would like to speak with you. I should warn you that I'm very friendly and very kind when I'm high, so I don't want you to get used to that sort of behavior if you call me back. I'm a bastard. Hope I hear from you; if I don't, I'll see you at [the time bridge we set up.]"
She calls. I may or may not be legitimately high or drunk. It rarely plays out differently.
"Oh, hey. [fluff talk. I'm pretty funny, so she's having fun.] You know what, it might be a trick, but you seem smart. I'm going to have a rare moment of human vulnerability with you, and I am going to read you some of my work. God, I must be really high; I never share my stuff with ANYONE. You want to hear a play, a poem, or a bedtime story?"
They only get the play or the poem, since I go with what they didn't choose. The poem is one I wrote for my ninth-grade girlfriend and is super-cheesy; but it makes me sound smart, romantic, and deep. The play I wrote when I was seventeen, and it makes me sound smart and deep. For the record, I think both are crap. Doesn't matter. It solidifies the idea that I am an up and coming artist, so even if she's never heard of me, I'm actually doing work; I use this same principle on Day 2s by showing them my stand-up routines on DVD or having them come to where I am performing. This is a late-phase example of Mystery using his illusions to solidify his claim to being an illusionist even when she's never heard of him.
(I also will read pieces I'm working on, but only if I think it's good-- which is rare-- and only if it's not based on a fairly horrific premise-- also rare.)
A lot of students get unnerved by an incongruence that comes from routines that, for them, lack authenticity. I know I do. So observe the actual communication and structure of this routine.
Note that I am not lying except when I say I never share my stuff with anyone.
I actually wrote the stuff, I am actually trying to make a career in something creative, and I am actually a bastard, so she really shouldn't get used to me being a sweetheart when I'm under the thrall of psychotropic substances.
The FUNCTION of this routine is to show her a side of myself that might not have been apparent as I bombarded her with attraction material and made her laugh and made her happy that I wasn't just some random guy. But when the attraction material forms the brunt of your interaction-- as can often happen in a normal high-octane social situation like a bar, party, or club-- it stands to reason that she will question your HUMANITY. Hence comfort. This is a GREAT bridge from C1 to C2 because it means SHE will be more vulnerable and legitimate when you finally do meet up. I have shown her a side of myself that she could legitimately be interested in by allowing her to feel like we are sharing something special-- and my work IS special to me.
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