How do you guys feel about NLP?

[pidouble]

I need your opinions badly. I don't have extensive knowledge about it. But from what I understand, its related to mind control or hypnotism. Not in the sense of hypnotizing someone then telling them to suck your cock or hurt someone. But strongly influencing someone's thoughts in a way that is unnaturally possible and can only be achieved with science. I read in the game that Ross Jeffries uses it for pickup and gets alot of success. But i feel that using such a powerful tool for sex is going too far for me. That's why i'm learning to use mystery's tools, i think his techniques are used by "Naturals" every day. But i don't think NLP is a tool that is innate, I think its like the what "Naturals", mystery and other master PUAs do... but on STEROIDS.

Am i wrong about NLP? I'm need feedback because after reading that TrueStory recommended it, i'm interested in buying a book teaching NLP. But is this a technique that is mainly just a tool and the way you use it can make it evil or good. Or, is this hynotism. (sorry for sounding dramatic by using the word evil, but this is seriously concerns me. I'm sorry if I offended anyone who uses it)

thanks alot guys
peace

[Oxygen69]

I totally agree with you...I think NLP is fucked up. It's like drugging a girl and having your way with her. I'm like you...I use strictly The Mystery Method and have had amazing success with it. Combine that with a little Annihilation Method and David D's cocky comedy...it builds the ultimate pickup method.

[the_professor442]

I went through the same thought process in regards to NLP. It's not a magic bullet it's used as an accelerator. I've been reading Introducing NLP, and most tactics are just a way to quickly build deep rapport or get rid of your own limiting beliefs none of the tactics are in themselves evil.

[Comet06]

NLP is absolute BS....dont waste your time with that crap.

[sdnightfly]

It can be useful in cold reads and catching someone in a lie. I think hypnotism is a little more riskier in influencing someone's decision, but if they're resistant then it's not going to have any affect.

If you're worried about it, then you're already showing some morality in not using either in a bad way. It's just information for you to learn.

Some sales people use NLP to get people to make expensive purchases. Time share presentations, fine art, fine wine, jewelry, cars, houses, insurance, anything to do with upselling, advertising, etc. A lot of reinforcing key words and picking up on small details a person is doing. Actually before I heard of Bandler and Grinder, I had been reading some of Chomsky's political writing, wanted to know why he taught linguistics, and what one had to do with the other... learned a lot about media manipulation,esp. in an election year that the US is currently in. A lot of people namedrop Chomsky, but actually knowing what he's written (read up on transformational grammar and syntax theory) is great AMOGging for wannabe intellectuals. He basically took language and makes it into a science. He is really difficult to listen to because he'll take an hour to answer one question, but the thought that goes behind it is impressive. He doesn't do short soundbite answers.

Here's a couple of clips on You Tube of the founders of NLP, Richard Bandler -
YouTube - Richard Bandler - The Hypnotist - Part 1
John Grinder -
YouTube - An Interview with John Grinder - Part I

[The_Enigmatic_One]

There are many problems with this thread and some of the post's preceding this one.

As for the original poster, The Mystery Method utilizes NLP extensively, Style's technique has it's foundations in NLP and so does most of the other systems. Most people who abuse it, don't have the understanding of NLP to form a understanding of what it truly is, so after spending nowhere near enough time studying it, they cast it aside and label it as BS or some other retarded term.

NLP isn't some dark art or nasty technique to be used to manipulate others with but it can be.

NLP is the basis of understanding not only others but ourselves (AKA the Mystery Method). If you want to go on a journey of self discovery and self improvement no other system can get near it for giving us the tools to make deep level changes so that we are able to live happy and fulfilled lives.

NLP is a lot of things.

The applications of NLP are endless, from helping you with your inner game to helping people to rid themselves of behaviors that stop them from living the life they should.

Nearly all of the top guru's system's use NLP. Mystery probably has the most comprehensive understanding of NLP and how to apply it to the game. I haven't mentioned Style as his stuff is an evolution of Mystery's stuff and thus contains a lot of NLP.

As a further example to display the evidence of this, see Style's series that contains Hypnotica & Stevie P who use about the purest form of NLP I have seen in the game. Heck Style even sells NLP books in his on-line store.

Is NLP rubbish? I think not and and it would appear the seduction community also agrees since nearly all of it has roots in NLP.

[pidouble]

Originally Posted by The_Enigmatic_One

There are many problems with this thread and some of the post's preceding this one.

As for the original poster, The Mystery Method utilizes NLP extensively, Style's technique has it's foundations in NLP and so does most of the other systems. Most people who abuse it, don't have the understanding of NLP to form a understanding of what it truly is, so after spending nowhere near enough time studying it, they cast it aside and label it as BS or some other retarded term.

NLP isn't some dark art or nasty technique to be used to manipulate others with but it can be.

NLP is the basis of understanding not only others but ourselves (AKA the Mystery Method). If you want to go on a journey of self discovery and self improvement no other system can get near it for giving us the tools to make deep level changes so that we are able to live happy and fulfilled lives.

NLP is a lot of things.

The applications of NLP are endless, from helping you with your inner game to helping people to rid themselves of behaviors that stop them from living the life they should.

Nearly all of the top guru's system's use NLP. Mystery probably has the most comprehensive understanding of NLP and how to apply it to the game. I haven't mentioned Style as his stuff is an evolution of Mystery's stuff and thus contains a lot of NLP.

As a further example to display the evidence of this, see Style's series that contains Hypnotica & Stevie P who use about the purest form of NLP I have seen in the game. Heck Style even sells NLP books in his on-line store.

Is NLP rubbish? I think not and and it would appear the seduction community also agrees since nearly all of it has roots in NLP.

I feel you Enigmatic. But i've seen videos of the mystery method used by its masters and i've seen videos of NLP used my its masters. I feel there is a difference between the two. I think a decent analogy is TMM is to NLP as Whey protein is to Steroids. I think they both have some similarities but one as unnatural power to it. That's what worries me, the power that NLP has I think it is like hypnotizing a person in order to get your way. NLP in my opinion is way too close to hypnotism to use on people let alone to get sex from women. But i'd like you to help me find literature to learn more about it. I did some research on it, but I think we looked at different books and websites.

thanks

[The_Enigmatic_One]

Originally Posted by pidouble

I feel you Enigmatic. But i've seen videos of the mystery method used by its masters and i've seen videos of NLP used my its masters. I feel there is a difference between the two. I think a decent analogy is TMM is to NLP as Whey protein is to Steroids. I think they both have some similarities but one as unnatural power to it. That's what worries me, the power that NLP has I think it is like hypnotizing a person in order to get your way. NLP in my opinion is way too close to hypnotism to use on people let alone to get sex from women. But i'd like you to help me find literature to learn more about it. I did some research on it, but I think we looked at different books and websites.

thanks

NLP is not about hypnotizing people or using a understanding of human nature to achieve a desired outcome but it can be. You can take the knowledge and do bad things with it (AKA Ross Jefferies), however this is against every NLP fundamental.

Remember NLP was designed to help people to be able to have happy lives and achieve their potential.

All of Mysteries work under-pins NLP and if you have studied NLP and then watch his stuff, it's very apparent. Mysteries theory's, seduction model and whole structure is taken from NLP. Admittedly he has evolved it into something of his own, however without NLP there would have been no Mystery method.

Mystery is not a natural and never has been, hence the need for him to devote his life creating a system to achieve romance with.

If you learn NLP, these words will strike home with force but as NLP is such a complex and diverse subject there are many people with weird and wonderful illusions about it.

NLP is a beautiful thing to learn and can enhance your life in ways you hadn't even of imagined.

This is the first book I read on NLP;Amazon.com: Introducing Neuro-Linguistic Programming: Psychological Skills for Understanding and Influencing People: Joseph O'Connor, John Seymour: Books

[PULS3]

Don't look down on NLP or hypnotism. I don't use NLP in the field because it's non-congruent to my personality but I used it on myself to help me focus on my goals and it really tightened my inner game. I also NLPed my friends to give them better focus and confidence and it really works. And btw don't look down on hypnotism either. Hypnotism is NOT mind control in any way. The hypnotist isn't even really doing anything. The subject is controlling themselves the whole time. They will not do anything that they would absolutely not want to do. But I really suggest buying the Joseph O'Conner book on NLP. It's very in depth.

[Nihilistic]

alot of people consider anything NLP after they read about it. hell, ive done that and caught myself lol.

nlp relies on your belief in it. you dont beleive, it doesnt work, so therefor its artificial. anything you can do with NLP you can do by yourself. however, belief is sometimes the hardest part of anything, so it could serve a purpose. but its damned sure not a science.

as far as NLP and pickup, i think strauss hit it when he said he thought most of the draw was just being different [that is, thats how women perceive you]. sure, the observing ego and visualization parts are kinda chick crack, but by the point its possible youre really already in.

youd be better served reading 7 habits or mindos imo, for inner game shit.