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Old 07-31-2008, 09:31 AM
 
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Default Help! Thin Line between Love/Hate?

Short version:

My wingman supposedly heard the girl saying she hated me or something. I negged on her pretty hard, cracked a few jokes, did some push-pull and didn't try to close at all. Even as I was leaving I waved and said "nice meeting you guys, bye Mary," haha.

I went from her not giving a damn about me three days ago and totally ignoring me in a conversation with her and one of my friends to taking her off her pedestal last night.

So how do I turn it around?
How thin is the line between Love and Hate?
Any feedback would be great.

Long version:

So I've had my eye on this girl for a while. I was demonstrating social value hanging out around where she waitresses. Her and most of the other waitresses live with each other in the same vicinity and so I made it a point to go out there infrequently with my friends who were friends with either her or her friends who would wait on us. I go up there with another PUA I'd just met who is going to make an awesome wingman and he pretty much kicks back and watches me start with the classics.

I open a set (one waitress and one hostess), start doing the cocky funny thing and demonstrate social value. Posture, hand position, visual cues, everything is spot on. Waitress leaves, hostess sits down. I number close her in less than two minutes and tell her to go find me a lighter. She comes back, I use the lighter, thank her and start ignoring her. I keep working on my third Dead Guy Ale and open another set through the window we're sitting beside out on the patio. Their boyfriend's come back, they weren't that cute anyway.

Finally the cook gets off work, knows my friend, so he sits down, and the three of us hang out for a bit. Hostess comes back and sits down, completely leaving the front of the restaurant unattended to talk to us. Our waitress still has tables but two other waitresses come out about 10 minutes after the cook starts eating and my target, we'll call her an HB9, comes in. She is walking past our table to someone else's and my wingman catches her eye, they say "hey," blah blah blah, hug, "oh this is my friend" and introduces me. I look up from my phone while I'm text messaging and say "oh, hey" and look disinterested. She has to qualify herself to me by saying "yeah, we met a few days ago when I was waiting on you" and I said something dumb like "oh, really?" Etc.

I keep negging on her by calling her Mary instead of Meriam (not in a sarcastic, cocky funny way but in a, you're not really important enough for me to remember your name way, without the arrogance. Every time I said Mary I treated it like an honest mistake but didn't apologize or correct myself).

She sits down furthest seat away from us then leaves, comes back with food and says she needs some table space. I'm nearest the table so she comes and sits next to me, then she moves to the other side of me and starts chatting with some of the other people after she and I make some small talk.

That's really the extent of it. Then again, I was pretty hammered (didn't look it though) so I may have not scrutinized every detail in the context of this situation like I normally do, which can be good or bad.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:55 AM
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You over negger her man. And seeing as she kept correcting you, it probably got tothe polint where she thought "This asshole is totally trying to be a dick to me".

So, now she hates you. Do you always over neg your targets like that? One way to look at it is you give her so much value that you make it a goal to really neg her hard. You have to come into the situation giving her modest value (less than yours till she qualifies) with a natural openning neg. Then just neg her if she shit tests you, but thats it imo.

Try not to be so harsh next time and get her name right. So, deffinently re-approach this differently. It sounded like you gave a real bad vibe.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:58 AM
 
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Thanks for the advice Ice Pill, I can see where I went wrong with that in hindsight. Bigger question is how do you fix burnt toast?

Haha, there's gotta be a way.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:06 AM
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Lol.


Um, I dont know really. She'll probably be over it.


This one time I was all good with this one girl. We danced together at a party and talked for the first time that night...

Then the next day I got high and cursed her out (or something like that) and she was mad the rest of the day. So, I backed off and gave her space the rest of that day.

The next day when I saw her, she completely forgot about it...

But depending on how it went she might not forget...So I'd say if she ignores you, hang out with her friends and DHV to them while she's around and is able to over hear/listen. Then get her to get into it.

You: "Blah blah blah dhv dhv"
Her Friends: "LOL! ROFLMAO! That is so blah blah blah"
You: " Lol yea its crazy, what do you think Meriam?"

Or something to that affect.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:10 AM
 
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Word, thanks for the advice man. That's how I was going to try to play it. What does DHV stand for again? Lol. I know what it represents but not what it actually stands for.

Demonstrate _______ Value? There's a lot of good feedback and discussion on these forums but not a lot of people meeting up in my neck of the woods or really trying to come together and benefit somehow from all of this knowledge.

What happened to free coursework? Lol.


Thanks again buddy.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:20 AM
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No problem

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Old 07-31-2008, 10:22 AM
 
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The pictures didn't show up for some reason.
Oh well.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:25 AM
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Refresh it, I fixed it.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:28 AM
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Eh, its demonstrates Higher Value if they still dont show.
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