Solid kino basics

[Clawn]

This post is for beginners and for those who feel weird using kino.

If you want ‘natural’ kino to happen, you need to be close to your target. However, you don’t want to be so close that it becomes intimidating to the girl, especially in the beginning of your interaction.

To do this, simply put one foot almost between her feet and one foot a bit back and lean back. This way you can change proximity just by changing your balance. It becomes very easy to get close for kino and move back afterwards. If you slowly balance more towards her during the conversation, she won’t feel threatened by your proximity. This is the basic position for light to medium kino.

There are different kino levels, from very light and innocent to longer and more comfortable touch.

-Touching her shoulder with the back of your hand when talking to her (For less than a second)
-Touching her shoulder with your fingers or your palm. (For about a second)
-Putting your hand on her shoulder while talking, then looking away distracted, then removing your hand and continuing talking to her.

These three (in order) should be done in EVERY set you have when gaming, they are the mere basics.

Try to start with light touching, then gradually use more and heavier kino.

After you’ve reached the third point of the basic kino, you can occasionally do some ‘heavy’ kino, for example hugging or spinning her around. After you do a ‘heavy’ kino move, follow it by a roll off. This makes her feel the loss, and she will try to get your attention (and your touch) back.

For all the nervous ones: when you’re close to a girl, touching during conversation is NORMAL. Actually, not touching the girl is considered defensive. Good luck.

[Vulture629]

-Touching her shoulder with the back of your hand when talking to her (For less than a second)
-Touching her shoulder with your fingers or your palm. (For about a second)
-Putting your hand on her shoulder while talking, then looking away distracted, then removing your hand and continuing talking to her.

I disagree. Avoid the shoulders, unless you're giving her a massage or something. I focus on the hands and hair.

You can do either the nails neg or ring neg whenever applicable.

And then there's my hair routine, where I will pretend to get something out of her hair, and then notice several split ends.

Whatever you do make it fun, enjoyable, or innocent. Thats why the only time I'll touch a female's shoulders is when giving a massage. Just laying your hand on a female's shoulder is threatening/creepy IMO.

[Clawn]

Thanks for your input. Could you please explain why exactly you want to avoid the shoulders other than it beeing creepy? Because it's the most natural and basic touching you can do when in conversation. Maybe I didn't put it very clear, but it definately should come off as natural instead of creepy.

Keep in mind that these are the very basics of touching another person in conversation. Other kino like you said is eventually neccesary, but it may not be for the beginners yet.

[Hymn]

-Touching her shoulder with your fingers or your palm. (For about a second)

I do this all the time. This is awesome, I am unsure what the other guy was talking about, but I will normally start off with that, and then I cant stop the target from touching me

[NotQuite]

totally agree
i took a girl from dinner at my place to waking up together following basics like this
or like the "get out of LJBF zone" post
1. touch on arm
2. sit next to her
3. arm around neck in little spurts
4. hold hand in spurts
5. kiss etc
she just kept telling me how natural it felt and comfortable and whatnot

[wildinout8]

I found that women always love a light touch on their elbows to begin with, even in passing by. Then I move to the shoulder. I've also noticed that if I'm initially sitting at a bar and a woman comes over to talk she will touch my shoulder.

If I'm in a loud place and both pecking it's real eas to get an arm around the waist or touch the lower back.

Good post. Kino should be done early, often and playfully. Bump her arm with yours, poke her shoulder, just start off light and fun and you'll be surprised at how quickly it escalates.

[Rower]

Any view, experience with Kino with hands at a noisy bar? Or is it better to kino lower back, elbow, etc then move on to head, neck, eye contact and kiss?

[alkaloids]

I think maybe Vulture was referring to "shoulder" as the top part of the shoulder, as opposed to the upper arm-part of the shoulder. I think they're pretty different... Touching hands/arms/elbows/(side)shoulder is really super natural and effective kino.

But the "top" of the shoulder is kind of a weird place to touch someone, I think. It's more threatening IMO. That's probably the confusion here.

But I like the idea of starting kino with everyone early and often. Walk up and tap someone in the group on the shoulder, reach out and touch someone's hand when you talk to them, be it target/obstacle/whatever. But just light stuff. You want to be a touchy/kino person, and not someone who when you start plotting like "OHMYGODHOWDOITOUCHTHISGIRL" it feels very unnatural and weird.

To Rower, I think that the lower back/hip/elbow type kino is perfect at the noisy bar, and your progression seems fine, but clearly you wouldn't go to the head/neck/eye contact/kiss until you've isolated her. "Heavy" kino in a group is uncomfortable and awkward for everyone.

[Sinn]

Here's my escalation ladder from bootcamp:

1. Establish touch- brush shoulder, tap of desire, gets attention
2. Playful touching- Push her away, butt bump her etc..
3. Hand touching- Hi-Vs, thumb war,...
4. Arm around- sideways hug, headlock...
5. Hand holding- Isolate hand hold, trust test, grab her hand...
6. Hugging- Hug test, straight hug, cuddle/nuzzle etc..
7. Kissing- Whatever kiss tactic or going for it.

Works for me and thousands of students, and I know for a fact all the LS instructors I trained teach this.

S

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