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Old 02-13-2008, 01:38 PM
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Inner Game...Jesus is this what it all comes down to? This holy and magnificent inner game? It seems at the "advanced" level it's all just inner game and everyone stresses the importance on inner game and how all these books, excersises, challenges, and strategies will improve the secret to success with women and everything in life....inner game.

I see the importance to it but how does it work exactly? How is it so mystical? I picture myself with perfect inner game walking around campus. I can be on cloud 9 but how does that effect the reality. I can percieve things however I want them and feel happy and great but the same conditions and situations will present themselves. If I go up to a girl with an attitude of not caring, being in the moment, needing nothing from her, playful and self amusing, happy and loving life and say "hi" she can still look at me like "wtf" and brush me off.

The big difference is I just wont care. But how does that equal results. My inner game voice replies "When you don't care about results is when you'll get them". Well that's not scientific and completely heresay....basically then every time I fail you can say "You cared" and anytime I succeed you'll say "See you didn't care".

However guys with better inner game and the ones who act and live with strong positive inner game beliefs do consistently get more women and hotter women. There's science to that...statistics. Then again what about all the guys who have great inner game and don't get results....well we can always fall back on the answer that "They don't REALLY have strong inner game".

I guess strong inner game makes you act and think differently which comes across as something people like and respond to. They see and feel your happiness and "coolness" and solid self assurance and they want to be aligned with that. There it is though...action. I guess I felt inner game was just being all happy in la la land and not caring about anything. That to me would lead to complete indifference and not even trying. If you want nothing and don't give a shit why not just spend all your time being happy watching TV. The key it seems is action.

Inner game + action=results. What's the drive behind the action though. With perfect inner game you don't care about results, you don't need anything from the girl, if anything you see yourself as better then the girl and a prize for her, nothing is a big deal, you're indifferent. These qualities almost seem to demand for inaction. These are qualities that would lead a guy to just sit around doing nothing but being completely happy. So then why do these gurus and naturals perform the action with their sick inner game to achieve results?

Immediatly my mind thinks "They just do it". They have no reason. Some might say "I like sex", "I just go out to have fun" or reasons along those lines. But with perfect inner game you wouldn't care if you have sex or not...you'd be indifferent about it. With perfect inner game you're always having fun whether you go out or not. These reasons don't seem to make sense....possibly to be a guru or natural you can't have COMPLETE perfect inner game, though I don't think that's the answer either. Some force is acting as a drive and call for action that doesn't contradict inner game.

I just thought about it for a few minutes and I came up with two answers that seem to work.

First thing I got was curiosity. Curiosity can lead to action. Curious to see how far you can get with the girl without actually caring one way or another. Curious about what's going on outside your house. Sure you're perfectly happy staying in and doing nothing with your perfect inner game but you've seen everything here and are curious what else there is. Curiosity seems like it wouldn't interfere with any inner game beliefs and can still be a call to action. When thinking about this though it lead to a second idea.

When curious to see how far you can go in set the man with perfect inner game can turn curiosity into self amusement. Or perhaps self amusement is it's own driving force and is what truly motivates those with perfect or near perfect inner game. Perhaps it's both curiosity and self amusement.

The thing is though does self amusement conflict with any inner game beliefs. I suppose it COULD go against the idea that you're completely content and happy already but on the other hand that's a matter of perception....

You can think of it in two ways. The self amusement is done to make the person playful, content, happy, in the present, and all the rest (which is one of the best ways to get into state because it does put your inner game in the right place). In this case though even though it is an amazing way to get into state just by that definition it implies that you don't have true mastery of inner game. In this case it would contradict and someone with perfect inner game would never need to do this and wouldn't have to self amuse...he'd already be there.

However instead of a tool what if it was a byproduct. Someone who is playful, content, internally validated, indifferent ect ect would naturally begin to engage in self amusement because of what HE IS ALREADY FEELING.

Now that is really interesting....all these ways to pump state and get inner game comes from the outside in. The guy with perfect inner game basically starts from inside and works its way out. It is essentially a byproduct. The guy with perfect inner game doesn't think about self amusing it's just something that comes naturally from what he is already feeling.

Self amusement would lead to action when out but what gets him out in the first place? Curiosity again could be the answer but I think there might be another reason as well.

As corny as it sounds I'm thinking the answer is "Love". The guy with perfect inner game will love himself and his perception of everyone will be that they are all amazing to. He only sees the good in people...his percption on everything is always positive. If you truly felt this way wouldn't you truly love everyone then? Even if you knew they weren't as perfect in their inner game as you you'd sense their suffering as from love would want to be around them to give them validation to ease their suffering. This in turn creates a love of being social and interacting with people. Love for yourself turns into love for everyone else which turns into love for being social and meeting people. It almost seems arrogant this belief that the reason the guy would go out is because the world needs his validation. This might contribute to that natural cocky funny attitude and playful teasing.

The reason it doesn't come across as arrogant though is because it's tempered. First the guy with perfect inner game does have love for the person and wouldn't want to come across as arogant for their sake. Second the curiosity drive also keeps the inner game guru to have an open mind and learn new things...be it reading new books, keeping an open mind when engaging in interactions, and realizing he can always be better. The guy with perfect inner game will be the first to admit there's no such thing as perfect game lol. Having an open mind and feeling you can always improve is a sign of inner game by itself.

So back to the formula...

Inner Game + Action= Results

With what I just discovered in my free flowing thoughts this is a very inaccurate formula to begin with. It's more complex and more simple at the same time. The simple version which is often told by the gurus and naturals is this.

Inner Game= Results

This formula is true. The problem is we don't understand WHY it's true. We go on blind faith that these guys realize something we don't. Or we start developing inner game and start getting better results and just put 2 and 2 together. Simple formula. There is also a complex formula however that might help explain the why.

The arrow sign "-->" simply means byproduct. By having one the other will follow.

Inner Game--> Countless positive beliefs

Inner Game--> Love for self

Inner Game--> Open mind

Inner Game--> Self Amusement

Love for self-->Love for others-->Love for being social-->Action to be social

Open mind-->Receptive to learning and expanding perception-->Action to learn

Self Amusement-->Action to lead lead in chaotic fashion (self amusement could range from sex to putting a finger up a girls nose...there's no structure or order to self amusement making it chaotic)

Self Amusement + Curiosity= Action to lead interaction in goal oriented fashion (it's no longer chaotic)

Action to be social + Action to lead while goal oriented= Action to Pickup

Countless positive beliefs + Action to Pickup= Results

In essence the only thing other then inner game in the entire formula is Curiosity but then again people can argue that curiosity is a by product of having an open mind and is part of inner game as well.

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this is VERY well thought out my friend

ive always had a problem with the notion that 'u have inner game when u dont care' ..but thats flawed logic ..if mystery hadnt 'cared' would any of us be here? if all these other gurus hadnt 'cared' would this community exist? of course not ..so that is far from the answer

on the other hand if your outcome dependent and care too much your screwed even faster ..so..

i think youve hit the nail on the head with ur theory of 'self amusement' ..looking back all the people ive known to be naturals, weather cocky funny or smooth or WHATEVER their style, they always had a vibe of 'self amusement' almost a light cynical air about them ..

and i think this is why alot of these people have a 'cocky funny' attitude as a BYPRODUCT to being in that mindstate (which makes perfect sense)





AND if you think about it ..if your slightly cynical and self amusement is what your agenda consists of ..then NATURALLY your going to qualify girls to see if they'll amuse you ..you'll just have a natural vibe of qualifying and self amusing..

basically i think this IS the perfect mindstate to be in ..CURIOUS, LIGHTLY CYNICAL/SKEPTICAL, and SELF AMUSING


any more thoughts?
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Old 02-18-2008, 01:02 PM
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I love this topic.
I have had some strange experience based on Inner Game.

One year ago, I did not know anything about the whole community and the techniques. One day I saw seduction school, by juggler. approach, having little chat in which you make the girl laugh, SOI, close. According to the ystery Method and most other methods, this is totally afc and will never work.
But, I thought this was the only way of doing it and I did this a lot.
And I had succes! :S
I believed that this way was the best way of acting and my inner game was perfect.

But then, after a 6 month relationship, I discovered the community and read the Mystery Method Handbook. It was a convincing book. And it destroyed my Inner Game. My belief in Seduction School was destroyed. Now I was an Avarage Frustrated Chump.
Now when I try the old tactic, I does not work, because now I am having doubts about it.

I think I have been the victim of a clever marketing strategie the 'guru's' use to get people to buy their books. First they call the old habit AFC (which is not a nice word) and they create a problem the reader has. After that they come with the solution; learning Mystery Method, or whatever other method they propagate. When learned the new method, the inner beliefs and inner game becomes strong (again) because the reader/victim now believes that he has solved the problem. As a result of the new improved inner game, the user becomes more succesfull.

A nice question:
Is this (new) succes caused my the new method of caused by the new inner game the user has.
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Old 02-23-2008, 01:31 PM
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dude, you are a fuckin geniousss!!! YOU FUCKIN SOLVED MY PROBLEM. Dude I was with the perfect inner game, I could stand and there were 30 models rubbing their ass agaisnt me, and i would do nothing because I was satisfied with me, with the women I have gotten. And this is true man, like 9 and 10's were offering themselves to me and I would deny ( I alredy denied like more than 10x women high calibrate ) . I Was starting to be concerned that I was becoming gay , or even worse. RETARDED. Cause These kind of women even gay guys would like to sleep with them. YOU ARE A FUCKIN GENIOUS THANK YOU ALOT.
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Old 07-10-2008, 11:44 AM
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"As corny as it sounds I'm thinking the answer is "Love". The guy with perfect inner game will love himself and his perception of everyone will be that they are all amazing to. He only sees the good in people...his percption on everything is always positive. If you truly felt this way wouldn't you truly love everyone then? Even if you knew they weren't as perfect in their inner game as you you'd sense their suffering as from love would want to be around them to give them validation to ease their suffering. This in turn creates a love of being social and interacting with people. Love for yourself turns into love for everyone else which turns into love for being social and meeting people. It almost seems arrogant this belief that the reason the guy would go out is because the world needs his validation. This might contribute to that natural cocky funny attitude and playful teasing.

The reason it doesn't come across as arrogant though is because it's tempered. First the guy with perfect inner game does have love for the person and wouldn't want to come across as arogant for their sake. Second the curiosity drive also keeps the inner game guru to have an open mind and learn new things...be it reading new books, keeping an open mind when engaging in interactions, and realizing he can always be better. The guy with perfect inner game will be the first to admit there's no such thing as perfect game lol. Having an open mind and feeling you can always improve is a sign of inner game by itself."

This little part right here was the pinacle of the theory.....no one can truly love others till they have a full understanding of what it is to love them selves...

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