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Old 09-14-2007, 12:48 AM
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Well I know this subject comes up a lot especially with guys who are just getting out of the blocks so here is everything I know on the subject.

Obviously kissing and making out up to the fclose is the relatively EASY part. But how to INITIATE kino?

The following is for the VERY beginning, i.e. hopefully on the very first encounter with any given HB. If you are sarging someone you've known for a while but have never started kino with, friend of a friend, coworker, etc., then this also applies but it's best to start off the "kino relationship" right from the very beginning.

The "golden rule" you want to enforce for yourself is that you want to initiate "Level 1" kino within the first 60 seconds. It sounds kind of strange at first to be "touching" a girl you meet on the street within 60 seconds but it's very easy to do once you get the hang of it. The more often you do this, the more naturally it will come to you.

Level 1

The first level is essentially "under the radar" stuff, where the HB in question will never be consciously aware of what you are doing. Let me emphasize that all of these touches are done LIGHTLY and briefly, one second or less.

If you're meeting a girl for a Day2 or official "date" of some kind, see if you can do the European "two cheek kiss" when you first meet up with her. Place one hand on each of her shoulders and lean in and kiss the outside of one of her cheeks (her right, your left) and then the other one.

If you're meeting up at a public place (say like a coffeeshop), meet her outside and then go in together and let HER sit down first. That way you can choose where you sit.

If it's a "booth" set up, or two benches facing one another, sit facing across from her. Your main kino "targets" are going to be her hands and her hair.

Note: Booths/benches suck so if at all possible, after you get to C1-C3 eject to a new location, use Level 2 kino and then if the second venue has another booth/bench, this time sit on the SAME side as she does.

If it's a table with four chairs in a square (or a sofa/couch), sit to her LEFT if you are right-handed and to her right if you are left-handed. The table with four chairs is a much better set-up than a booth. Your main kino "targets" are going to be the hair, elbow and shoulder and later the hands and thigh.

Whenever you are sitting down, keep your body angled slightly off center away from her with your posture leaning slightly back.

If it's a standing-up meet, whether on the street or in a bar, angle yourself any way you feel comfortable but so long as your body is not pointed directly AT the HB. In other words point your feet approximately 45 degrees off her center. Your main kino "targets" will be her elbow, hip, shoulder and hair.

The very first goal (aside from the two-cheek kiss for an official "date") is to start touching her with the back of your hands. The "back" is the side of your hand where your fingernails are. When you are telling a story (esp a DHV), you give her a slight PUSH with the back of your hands on her upper arm or shoulder at the emotional high point. For example:

And then the alligator REARED up...

On the word "reared" you would slightly "push" on her upper arm or shoulder.

There is a technique where you switch stories right before the climax and begin another one to create dramatic tension (and increase the HB's attraction to you). Essentially right before you get to the "conclusion" to your story, suddenly switch to another one that is perhaps only slightly related.

When switching stories, you can say "oh wait, that reminds me" and when you do that, LIGHTLY and briefly grasp her elbow or shoulder with your open hand. If you're sitting down in the dual bench set-up, do the same thing only on her fingertips.

Then tell the second story, again lightly "pushing" her on the upper arm or shoulder whenever you get to an emotional high point of your story (or fingertips if you're in the booth set-up). If you're being C+F she should be laughing and then you should be comfortable giving these brief but fairly frequent kino "touches".

Another good time to use the "push" with the back of the hand is whenever you are NEGGING her or using an IOD. For example "oh you, I can't EVEN talk to you" and then give her a push. I should emphasize here all of these are "playful" pushes, not some kind of aggressive "picking a fight" kind of thing

At this point, a lot of HBs will be returning your kino somehow, pushing you, "punching" you, etc. This is obviously a good sign and what you want but don't be discouraged if they don't return kino this early.

Note: If you are sitting in the dual-bench "booth" set-up across from the HB and her hands aren't on the table, find a "reason" for you to look at her hands. This can be something like "hey let me see that ring again" and then run the "ring game" (Level 2) or something more innocent like "pass the salt" or just say "let me see your fingernails for a second, oh wow look at that color" etc.

So Level 1 consists of light but frequent touches on the upper arms, shoulder and hands (esp when sitting down) during emotional high points of stories or the "punch lines" of C+F comments including teasing negs.

After this is going well, pretend to "find" something on a "neutral" area of her upper body and have to brush it off, whether that's some unspecified "something" or some crumbs or whatever. Just brush "it" off without saying anything first and THEN say "you had something on your shirt". The best place to do this is the shoulder somewhere where your hand is going to make contact with her hair.

And if you are sitting down at the table with chairs, briefly allow your knee/leg to brush up against hers occasionally, but very briefly.

Whether standing or sitting, a SUPERB move is to find some way to reach across her for some "legitimate" reason and allow the side of your arm to BRIEFLY touch her breasts.

If standing, find something to point to "hey look over there" and then touch her briefly with your open hand on her HIP.

Level 2

Level two is where you are touching her and she is more aware of it but is okay with it. It isn't quite to the level of "romantic" or "couples" touching quite yet though.

Hands - at some point "notice" her hands and run some kind of routine on them, especially a variant of the "rings game" or palm "reading". If her hands are sweaty or something else, try not to over neg her on this because she'll pull them away in embarrassment. The goal here with kino is you want her to want you to touch her MORE, not less

Ears - if she's wearing earrings, find a pretext to comment upon then and when you are doing this, LIGHTLY touch her on the ear while you are talking about them but sustain it for more than half a second. Women usually find good ear touches to be highly erogenous. The absolute best thing you can do is sort of "cup" your hand so that your fingers are LIGHTLY touching the entire ear, i.e. not just the bottom "lobe" alone.

Hair - The more "legitimate" reasons you can find to touch her hair, the better. If she's eating or drinking you can push it back because it's "about to go in her plate" or drink. If you're sitting/standing close enough you can say "hmm, what kind of shampoo do you use?" and lean in and give it a deep sniff. If her hair is long enough and "down", ask her what it would look like "up" and then push it back yourself with your hands. If her hair is "up" or in a ponytail or something, ask her to put it down for you so you can "see what it looks like".

Waist - if you are standing up, start putting your hand on her waist for brief periods of time when you are talking to her, especially for C1-C3 stuff. If you are in a loud environment and are having to lean in to talk in her ear, ALWAYS put your hand on her waist when YOU are talking. Then remove your hand and lean back slightly and she will touch you when she leans in to respond to what you're saying. A hidden kino gem is if you are standing up, hook one finger through one of her belt loops and pull her closer to you so you can tell her something.

Thigh/Upper Leg - if you're sitting at the table with chairs, begin to briefly rest your open hand on her upper thigh while talking, especially for C1-C3 stuff. Don't slide your hand up and down her leg, just let it rest there motionless with only a LIGHT pressure.

Face - Pretend to notice her "cheekbones" or say you want to see exactly what color her eyes are. Then LIGHTLY touch her cheek with your open hand, very briefly, this is almost like a "cupping" motion but very gentle. Or you can "discover" she has something on her face very close to her mouth and then you can "wipe it off".

Holding Hands - Whenever you MOVE her, i.e. change locations, whether one part of a bar to another, leaving the restaurant/bar/party going somewhere else, etc., hold out your hand for her to grab yours. For example if you are getting up from a table/sofa you hop up first and stand in front of her and hold out your arm outstretched "inviting" her to grab your hand. Be VERY confident with this move and almost "pull" her along with you wherever you are going.

If you aren't comfortable doing this, then put your hand on your waist and point out your elbow, inviting her to hook her arm in yours so you are "escorting" her as you move.

Back of Neck - This is a SUPERB area to begin kino with. The easiest approach is if she is seated, you eject to go to the bathroom or for another reason, and when you come back (approaching from behind her) you briefly touch the back of her neck with your open hand, right at the top of her spine.

Side of Neck - The other method is when you are pushing back her hair or other kino move with her hair, briefly rest your hand on the "nape" of her neck.

Level 3

Basically everything up to full-fledged kclose, making out, fclose, etc. You should be definitely deep into C1-C3 before doing any of this unless she's super drunk or it's a "fool's mate" situation.

Essentially it's a continuation of all the former LIGHT touches, only this time you just increase the duration.

If you're sitting and have been briefly holding/touching her hands, increase the amount of time you are doing this. While holding hands, give her little squeezes. If she squeezes you back, you're doing very well.

If you're sitting at a table with chairs (or sofa), begin resting your hand on her thigh for longer periods of time, especially higher up on her leg but not towards the inside (crotch) area, but towards the outside of her leg. You should also be allowing your foot and/or leg to continuously rest up against hers.

If you're standing up, start letting your hand rest almost continuously on her waist/hip area. Also start standing a LOT closer to her but again not facing directly towards her. If you can arrange it so the side of your arm is resting against her one of her breasts, even better.

It's now time to proceed towards the kclose using any of a variety of techniques.

Good luck and happy kino-ing!

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Hi,

This is a great kino post.....Very good post. Have you read any good stuff anywhere on Kino?

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I've certainly read stuff online related to the MM but what I've read, I can't remember specifically at this point.

What I find is that once you start regular kino on HBs, it will come naturally to you with HBs you meet for the first time. I find it gets easier and easier with time but it's like you've got to give yourself "permission" to start the "level one" kino and once you do that, it become effortless.

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Hey,

Very interesting. I guess what I'm missing is the transition from light kino and touching to something heavier. How do you transition?

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I have an issue with thr 45 degree angle stuff. I have a terrible side profile and only feel "ok" showing my face front-on. Any advice?

And when you say "put your hand on her hip", which side and which of your hands? Her hip nearest to you, or around her back?
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The main thing about the "face to face" orientation of two people is that it's very intense and can be perceived as hostile or needy. All direct displays of power, whether private saluting general, employee reporting to boss, etc are based on this.

If you feel there's something odd with the side of your face, well that's an inner game issue, but at least turn your BODY away from hers so she isn't what they call "boxed in". It projects that you are open, could potentially be up and leaving, etc., as well as it doesn't make it seem like you're getting all your value from HER.

As for the touching of the hips thing, it's just a very light thing, on the side nearest you, nothing reaching around or anything. I'm referring to early on in the interaction where certain areas are "neutral". Clearly touching someone on the lips (or tits!) has a HUGE amount of intimacy involved in them - things like upper arms and the hips are much less "charged".

The rough goal of all kino is to sub-communicate that your two bodies ARE friendly with touching and are "together". Humans are conditioned that all touching triggers mechanisms of either this person is an "enemy" (whether creepy pervert touching or else outright violent harm) or a "friend" (the "good touch"). So what kino does (in the first phase) is it rapidly speeds up the process by which you are ACCEPTED, i.e. one of the "good guys" not a stranger anymore.

The rest of the process is done verbally and with techniques, etc., and then kino in the second phase, the more intimate stuff, is where you get to the closes, etc.

Interestingly, if you look at guys who do the 5 minutes or 20 seconds (or highly rapid) kcloses, this serves the same purpose - kino being accepted triggers that response of you're one of the "good guys" i.e. not an enemy. And sexy, ACCEPTED guys really are the true paradigm of future sex partners.

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could you make a separate thread on " kclose using any of a variety of techniques."
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I thought I'd write some comments to some of your writings. I am good at kino, but I was always really conscious about it ever. I am a more aggressive type of kino guy (heck, when I used to be absolutely drunk in my heydays my ultimate kino-introduction was butt slap and when I was on the border of blackout it was grabbing any chicks butt on the way by; 95% failure! lol). I think this guide is good. Just be congruent with it and adapt it to your personality.

ah, and yes, it sounds ||||y when I talk about my past heydays at age 25, but really I haven't done much the last few years.

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The "golden rule" you want to enforce for yourself is that you want to initiate "Level 1" kino within the first 60 seconds. It sounds kind of strange at first to be "touching" a girl you meet on the street within 60 seconds but it's very easy to do once you get the hang of it. The more often you do this, the more naturally it will come to you.
if you start later than 60 seconds, they might get conscious if you suddenly start kino.

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If you're meeting a girl for a Day2 or official "date" of some kind, see if you can do the European "two cheek kiss" when you first meet up with her. Place one hand on each of her shoulders and lean in and kiss the outside of one of her cheeks (her right, your left) and then the other one.
I hate this shit. lol. But it still happens all the time.

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If you're meeting up at a public place (say like a coffeeshop), meet her outside and then go in together and let HER sit down first. That way you can choose where you sit.
I thought this to be a weak point in my game. I often let the girl decide where to sit. I actually think it is better for you to control where she sits. i.e. you say let's sit here and guide her to her place.

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Whenever you are sitting down, keep your body angled slightly off center away from her with your posture leaning slightly back.

If it's a standing-up meet, whether on the street or in a bar, angle yourself any way you feel comfortable but so long as your body is not pointed directly AT the HB. In other words point your feet approximately 45 degrees off her center. Your main kino "targets" will be her elbow, hip, shoulder and hair.
what I always try to avoid is a table or some other kind of obstacle between me and the target. it's just too much of a hassle for kino. that's why I chose the venue and the place we stand or sit. I think standing (especially in a crowded bar or club) is better at the beginning. later you can sit in a corner area where you and the target have a table but don't sit direct opposite but the adjacent side of the table. that way if you go kino, you are closer to her. another note: the more classy or upper style a place the smaller their tables... there it is less a problem.

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The very first goal (aside from the two-cheek kiss for an official "date") is to start touching her with the back of your hands. The "back" is the side of your hand where your fingernails are. When you are telling a story (esp a DHV), you give her a slight PUSH with the back of your hands on her upper arm or shoulder at the emotional high point. For example:

And then the alligator REARED up...

On the word "reared" you would slightly "push" on her upper arm or shoulder.
usually the girl will hit or push me first, shoulder area. that is where I don't get back at the same area. I give her a fake punish statement "you hit me, hey!" or some shit like that, playfully hit her somewhere else then her shoulder. I never felt comfortable hitting the same place she hit. it's kinda she is compliance testing you if you do that! escalate to other parts of the body. for example in a sitting position hit her legs, the knee or below.

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Another good time to use the "push" with the back of the hand is whenever you are NEGGING her or using an IOD. For example "oh you, I can't EVEN talk to you" and then give her a push. I should emphasize here all of these are "playful" pushes, not some kind of aggressive "picking a fight" kind of thing
when I use negging or IOD I don't touch her at all.

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After this is going well, pretend to "find" something on a "neutral" area of her upper body and have to brush it off, whether that's some unspecified "something" or some crumbs or whatever. Just brush "it" off without saying anything first and THEN say "you had something on your shirt". The best place to do this is the shoulder somewhere where your hand is going to make contact with her hair.
I do this all the time, even with men. I propably something I do naturally because it bugs me when there really is something and you usually find something, especially on girls with long hair, blonde.

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And if you are sitting down at the table with chairs, briefly allow your knee/leg to brush up against hers occasionally, but very briefly.
here I usually let them do it. I am too conscious about it I always want to pull back. But I leave it there so they know I am comfortable with it and don't give a shit. it's something like they are trying to go step by step. They'll build confidence if you let them do it. don't notice, just talk and be the guy you always are. There's also another way, direct one, but that's for the 9s and 10s.

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Whether standing or sitting, a SUPERB move is to find some way to reach across her for some "legitimate" reason and allow the side of your arm to BRIEFLY touch her breasts.
lol. I remember in my highschool times I accidentally hit breasts of two girls. once in sports and once in class. I was always very animate und used my arms and hands to gesture the stories and stuff. both times I hit their racks (and they noticed big time, who wouldn't!!! and they had great pair of tits!) and I was a wuss full time then. I just ignored and acted like it was nothing (just did my stuff I was doing, never interrupted). Yes, crazy thing is the two were the ones who were into me for a while and the one who witnessed it in class was into me too. Is there a connection? I have no ||||ing clue! lol.

for the rest I am too tired now. I'm going to sarge next week again since like last october. lol. I'll write some FR if anything is good.
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