THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO NEGS compiled by Hatman I have compiled a concise thread of the basics of negs since there doesn’t seem to be a single reference point for them. Feel free to post your comments to improve this guide so we can expand it. CONTENTS Section A 1.1 Neg Resources Section B 2.1 What Are Negs and What Do They Do?
2.2 The Seven Main Types of Negs Section C 3.1 When Should Negs Be Used?
3.2 Examples of When Negs Should Be Used – The Five Main Scenarios
3.3 Most Negs Are Used Only In The Attraction Stage
3.4 The Breaking Point SECTION A 1.1 Neg Resources Basic Neg Theory by Mystery http://www.theattractionforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66 The Negs Treasure Chest – The Best Negs by Forum Members http://www.theattractionforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1156
Neg Concepts By Bayroot
http://www.theattractionforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21963&postcount=22
Why Negs Work And What People Are Doing Wrong By Gameboy
http://www.theattractionforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=21222#post21222
Do Negs Right By Vincent Chase
http://www.theattractionforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6044
Neg Combinations By Hatman
http://www.theattractionforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=24660#post24660 SECTION B 2.1 What are negs and what do they do?
First of all, read “basic neg theory” in section A. That is an invaluable resource.
Neg Definition: a neg is a special, multi-functional tool, which comes in the form of a phrase or comment. It aids in the pick-up by turning various situations within set grossly in favour of the PUA, and very quickly, which would otherwise be unattainable through conventional conversation.
There are eight main neg functions and a neg either fulfils some, or all of these functions when it is used:
1. As a disqualification tool. To either disqualify yourself, or to disqualify the target, or both
2. To punish defiance
3. To make the target validate herself to you
4. To show that you're not hitting on the target
5. As an attraction tool
6. To attract the target's attention
7. To give mixed signals to the target which she will seek to clarify, thus initiating a chase of the PUA.
8. As a means to distinguish yourself from AFC’s.
2.2 Types of Negs
The most basic form of neg is a back-handed compliment, but there are many more “types” of negs besides. Here’s a rundown of the most common neg types. It is NOT an exhaustive list:
Type 1 – the back-handed compliment e.g. “I like your make-up”
Type 2 – the compliment with an unexpected twist e.g. "I like your eyes, especially the left one"
Type 3 – the body observation neg e.g. “your nose wiggles when you talk!”
Type 4 – the social observation neg e.g. “holy crap! How do your friends cope with you?”
Type 5 – the body accessory neg e.g. “those shoes look really comfortable”
Type 6 – the threat neg e.g. “I’m gonna kick your ass!”
Type 7 – the false disqualifer special neg e.g. “We are never going to get along”
The false disqualifier is a special neg which is distinct from the other neg types. We will explain this in the next section.
Notice that none of these negs are insults. A neg is not an insult at all. If you insult the women, you are going to get blown out of the set.
Have a look at the negs treasure chest in section A for hundreds of examples of more negs. Here’s the link again
Negs Treasure Chest SECTION C 3.1 When Should Negs Be Used?
I will explain this first, then make it clearer afterwards using examples:
There are three main determinants to consider when deciding when negs should be used.
1. Looks do not determine when to neg, but instead, the number of times your target has been hit on. Thus, it is not the attractiveness of the women that matters, but the ATTRACTING POWER which is determined by how often she is hit on. It just happens to be more likely that the hotter the woman, the more she's going to be hit on.
It is this hit count that decides when and how many times to neg, not how hot the target is. The more times she’s been hit on, the more you will have to neg. But what is a hit?
A hit is an unsuccessful attempt by a male to game the target after approaching her. 2. When the target looks likely to show defiance. If the target shows preliminary signs that she is going to lose interest, you have to neg her. Alternatively, if the target seems to be getting the upper hand in the conversation, e.g. through push/pulling to get you to chase her, you neg her.
3. Whether the PUA wants to reframe himself as the prize. Obviously, the PUA does want to reframe himself as the prize to aid in the pick-up and so every pick-up attempt must use negs during A2 and A3 to achieve this. However, you don’t just use any neg for this. You use a special neg called a false disqualifier. This neg type helps exclusively to reframe the PUA as the prize and so is best used separately from the negs used in determinants 1. and 2. above.
Thus, for 1. and 2. you can use any type of neg apart from the false disqualifier.
I will now elaborate using examples to make it clear:
3.2 Examples of When Negs Should Be Used – The Five Main Scenarios 1. If the target has been hit on all night. Such a target is likely to be very attractive.
In which case, you must neg from the start, but there are two ways of doing this:
A. Approach the obstacle with the opener and neg the target through the opener (Remember: she is hot+been hit on oodles of times). This is used best on a set, say a two set, in which the target *has been hit on much more* than the obstacle.
B. Approach the target and open with several back-to-back negs (termed a shotgun neg combination). This is used best on, say a two set, in which
both obstacle and target have been hit on oodles of times. Both are likely to be HB9-10’s. (Incidentally, there is a very good example of this in action in The Game by Style). Links for neg combinations can be found in Section A.
In either case A or B, you should neg from the opener. If the target doesn't appear to be hit on all night, then just use a normal indirect opener. Then you have the second consideration which must be considered in all pick-ups: neg scenario 2:
2. If the target shows preliminary signs of defiance during A1 or A2.
A. Say you are running the opener and the target responds. Then half way through the opener, the target shows the *slightest physical sign of disinterest* (e.g. by looking away). In this case, you would neg the target and concentrate all attention on the obstacle. Wait until you win her set over before returning to the target.
B. Say instead that A1 goes fine and you reach A2. The target now shows signs of defiance here, so you would neg the target but continue talking to her.
In very simple words, neg the target if she shows preliminary signs of defiance.
Question: How do I recognise preliminary signs of defiance?
Answer: The target will be looking around you, showing slight disinterest or is attempting to get you to chase her. (you will become very good at spotting this as your calibration increases)
Then we have neg scenario 3:
3. Say a two girl set - when the obstacle attempts to listen to your opener in an obvious way if the target responds to it first.
In this case, the target doesn't seem to have been hit on all night, but this is deceptive. The fact that the obstacle is listening in an obvious way should reveal to you that the obstacle is a potential ||||block AND that the obstacle has had to act as a ||||block before for the target, because the target has been hit on in the past.
In which case, you would concentrate attention on the obstacle, and neg the target.
4. In A2: To set the frame that the PUA is the prize.
In A2, you want to grab the targets frame as the prize and use that yourself. An excellent way to do this is via the special false disqualifier (FD) negs which are blended within the conversation. These negs display several qualities in the PUA to demonstrate that he is the prize, namely:
A. That the PUA can size the target up
B. He can control the interaction and lead it his way
C. He can demonstrate authority over the targets reality
D. He can inoculate himself from the target in using the methods to disqualify him
Thus, the PUA can use false disqualifier negs to achieve these qualities and highlight to the target that he is the prize. The reframe is complete when the target jumps into your FD hoops:
A Simple Example
PUA: “ok, im gonna make this quick, so don’t get any ideas” (underlined bit is the FD)
HB: “ok”
The target has accepted the FD hoop: her innate frame as the prize is now weaker and the frame shifts to the PUA.
This does not mean the PUA can explicitly speak as if he is the prize – he still needs to build sufficient attraction in A2.
Thus, the prize concept is solidified and completed in A3 using FD negs under attraction, so that the PUA can actually explicitly speak as if he is the prize. This brings us to our next and final neg situation:
5. In A3: as a means to release the target after reeling her in.
The negs get the target to chase you in A3 by creating a sense of loss, mystery and slight unpredictability after reeling her in. The neg type used here is mainly false disqualifiers.
This chasing, courtesy of FD negs, completes the solidification process to make the PUA the prize: a process which started with FD’s in A2 but which has a greater impact now, in A3, since the target is attracted to you as well.
The PUA is therefore in a strong position, and he can now explicitly speak as if he is the prize with little adverse reaction from the target. The target will instead jump through these hoops as well. (
Sidenote: this does not detract from the main purpose of A3 of challenging the target to justify a mutual attraction through qualification. By the end of A3, a mutual attraction is obtained AND the PUA is the prize)
A Simple Example of this in Action For Clarity
PUA: “so if a wizard came along and could turn you into anything you wanted to be, what would you be?
HB: “Hhmmm….I’d be a cat”
PUA: “really?!? No way! The girl I fancied in High school said that!.....I can’t talk to you now.” (the FD is underlined and has even greater impact than in A2 since the target is attracted to you in A3)
PUA: (do a false takeaway)
PUA: (come back in) “ok….ill give you another chance” (the PUA is now explicitly speaking as if he is the prize since he is in such a strong position. The target will jump through the next hoop in the next A3 routine, intensifying the PUA’s position further)
3.3 Most Negs are used only during the attraction stage:
Thus to summarize the majority use of negs, here’s a very basic rundown of when negs are used, phase by phase:
A1 (opener) - Neg according to target hit count, obstacle actions and any defiance
A2 (DHV) - Neg when the target defies. Also use FD Negs to reframe as the prize.
A3 (qualify) - FD Neg to release after reel-ins, and solidify as the prize.
Thus, do not use hardcore negs in comfort: The neg is the special tool to aid in the pick-up during the attraction stage, with the ultimate goal of getting the target to comfort. However, in comfort, you can still use tease negs to keep up the flow of the sarge.
Also, do not use FD negs for any purpose other than to reframe the PUA as the prize.
3.4 The Breaking Point
In the first three scenarios in 3.2, do not ever neg past the breaking point. The breaking point is when the target shows signs of self-consciousness.
Thus, when the target shows self-consciousness from your negs, do not neg her again. For situations 4. and 5. The neg is unlikely to make the target feel self-conscious because it’s not something to do with HER per se. It’s reframing the PUA as the prize. Even then, do not overdo your false disqualifier negs. Blend them into the conversation so it fits neatly with your routines.
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That’s all for now folks!! Hope you enjoyed reading it as much as i did writing it. Guys, give me some more helpful links and additions/recommendations so we can expand this neg reference point.
Regards for now and happy sarging.
Hatman
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