NOTE:This is verbatim from another thread (
Should I Neg a...), but it is good info I think I should jog some of your memories.
It seems that a lot of people are unsure about whom to neg, well here's some great info for you guys:
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The whole shenanigan of negging started as "Neg Theroy" and neg theroy is still pertinent to this day, it is a viable, proven true time and again method, however, neg theroy has scince expanded to envolpe;
Disqualification Theroy and False Disqualifiers
Pregnant Demonstrations of Lower Value
DHV Spiking
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Additional purposes for the neg itself. None of these are covered in great detail at mostly and publically available source, at least not that I could find. But in Talking with MM grad's (haven't taken a BC myself, yet.) and just guys that have been in the community long enough to be more knowledgeable than me I've discovered that these are very distinct subject matter and can be Differentiated by the following:
Neg - A statement purposed to lower the target's "Bitch Shield" by telegraphing dis-interest and sexual dis-interest.
Additional uses: A neg can be used to knock someone of high status down or de-value someone formerly valuable to the set.
pDLV - a Pregnant or Intentional Demonstration of Lower Value act's exactly as a traditional Neg does in that it telegrapghs dis-interest and sexual dis-interest, however this time, however, the subject is you rather than the target, or any one for that matter.
Additional uses: a pDLV can be aimed at an opposing aplha male, or any competition for that matter. A general rule of thumb is to not use it for this purpose until after you have demonstrated to the target your investment in her.
False Disqualifiers - A False Disqulifier is apparent, the name says it all, it's something that appears to disqualify you though in actuality it does not. The quintessential FDQ is: "Too bad i'm gay, cuase you'd be so my type."
Now to clarify, You are not "Demonstrating Lower Value" nor are you "Playfully Insulting" the target, however the effect is the same, in her mind she can treat you as an equal because you have either A.) Lowered her bitch sheild, taking her off protocol, or B.) Given evidence that you are not interested in her, specifically not solely sexual, or are unavailble for her sexually.
IMPORTANT!: There is a difference between a false DQ and an ACTUAL DQ, telling her that your wife didn't want to leave the kids home alone really freezes you out of any chance you had at boning her, and if that's the truth just stay home unless your wife want to be a swinger, it isn't worth the trouble.
DHV Spiking - Is the act of nonchalantly giving her indicators that you are 'Somebody.' Mystery gives a great example of this whic is available in, I believe (i'm not 100%,) the video archive. Telling her that you and your buddy went jet skiing and almost hit a boat... out of the water, isn't as cool as enthusing:
"So last Wednesday I was able to drag my buddy John away from his investment firm, the dude is a work-a-holic, and we were sitting around deciding what to do when it popped into his head to rent some of those wave runners, you know SeaDoo's or what-not, and just go crusing around the Gulf until sunset , that's the beauty of being your own boss, you can stay out all night. I own a couple myself so we just went back to my place, changed, put 'em on a hitch and took off for the coast, and halfway there this douche's brand new Suburban dies, it ||||ing dies on us and in the middle of the friggin' highway express. So we call AAA and they jump us and we're off again, for the time being. We finally get down to the dock, load out the Runners into the water and try to start them up when THAT sound hits our ears. You know the; whub, whub, whub of an engine trying to start. We spend twenty minutes getting them out of the water, tinkering with the air intake and the exhaust only to find out the the damn things don't have any gas in them, I forgot I didn't fill them up scince the night I took my girl out during the sunrise on Christmas. So we put them back on the truck, go to the gas station, fill up and have the caps on when we think, do these things take car gasoline? There was a rental place across the street on the boardwalk so we asked the guy there and he said "no, you need special gas for them," turns out the guy was a ||||ing liar, but we paid him to fill us up and finally got into the water.
My friend had never riden on one before so it took him a while to get the hang of it, and he almost got caught by the coast guard. But, we watched the sun go down, then decide why end now and call everyone we know about a party we're throwing at my house. We're heading back to shore and for some reason I say "Race Me" and we barrel ahead and then I hear this loud SHHHHHHHHHHH underneath me, we rode up on the coast so fast we didn't even see the beach. So we're skidding on sand and I hit the brakes for all the good it did, but John just ||||ing goes flying past and rams the side of the Jet into some Hotel Rent-a-Boat and goes flying like Chris Reeves pow right into the sand. Needless to say we had a bitch of a time like always and he broke his thumb but otherwise everything was fine so I took him to the hospital and we waited... and waited... and waited until a doctor came and then finally he came did his thing and, we're on our way to my place when we turn onto my steet and see all these car's parked on the side. We both looked at each other and in this utter moment of Wayne's World yelled "PARTY ON!" ||||ing Great night man, just genius."
BAM! See the DHVs? My Friend works at an investment firm, we know how to have a good time, I own my own house, I own Wave Runners, He Just Bought a New Car, I'm my own boss and I'm a Romatic. That's a great 6 minutes skit I use all the time, with some changes obviously. By using these DHVs I show that A.) I have value and/or B.) I'm out of her league. (In the case of B this is intended to be an FDQ which like all FDQs can be salvaged, that's their purpose, be wary of using this though, it can be a True DQ.)
So that's that. Do not Neg this doll instead get her to sell herself to you, by showing that you have value a high value, that you're not interested in sex (at least not sex alone) and by being playful with her. This is more ||||y Funny Routines, than Neg Routines.
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Negging and DLVs and FDQs aren't extraordinarily complicated so stay with me here, this is a great concept and it will improve your game when you fully understand it.
The objective of a Neg is one of several things.
In a group a neg serves the purpose of showing disinterest. There is an old saying, "use the carrot, not the whip" meaning, in order to get a stubborn mule to walk you must tempt it by dangling a carrot in front of it, beating it will only make it more stubborn. By showing no interest in her she feel's more comfortable around you, you're not after her, you're not another lame loser just trying to get inside her. You've got no whip. But the Neg is also serving the purpose of avoiding her, ignoring her. Every time she tries to interject in your story you say, "Can I finish" and she feel disconnected from the fun and she wants in. This is you're carrot. The Neg also serves the purpose of disarming the obstacles, they do not feel the need to be maternal or protective, you have no whip, you are no hunter, etc.
Got it?
In a one-set, the reason you neg the target is obviously not to disarm objects or make her feign for attention, rather you do it solely for the purpose of showing disinterest. It is in these cases that you will most likely replace a neg for a FDQ (False Disqualifier) i.e. "Too bad I’m gay or you'd be so my type." You didn't say anything to hurt her, but she can now lower her BS (Bitch Shield) Because "Oh he's gay," you're not another lovable loser, then once you two are making out, it won't matter that you said you were gay. You may also option out the neg for the DLV or Demonstration of Lower Value. Generally speaking DLVs are bad, except when they are used in place of a neg, they have the same effect without her ego/confidence/esteem being attacked at all. An example of this is "I'm such a cheap ass, ha ha, I mean I shop a Penny's for christs sake." You're not trying to impress her, or you're proving you're a total loser, either way you're no threat, auto defenses "disengaged."
So you neg for the main purpose of her lowering her "automatic defensive responses."
Now onto why you shouldn't use a neg, Only women 8+ should be negged. 0-7s aren't on the top of the self esteem ladder and using a neg could shatter them, instead swap out a neg for a compliment without sacrificing your AMOG status, example: "Hi, I've been looking for a hand bag exactly like that all day. My sisters birthday is next week, you wouldn't happen to remember where you bought that?"
See? She doesn't have the looks to have been hit on enough to develop defensive weaponry, i.e. there is no bitchsheild, so negging is not necessary, and in fact it would be detrimental, so instead you boost her, either directly or indirectly.
Secondly, to neg an entire group would be what is called "locking yourself out" the set is dead now move on. You came off as pompous instead of disinterested and like an ass instead of ||||y.
Hope that helps.
-Vincent Chase
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Why Negs Work And What People Are Doing Wrong
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GameBoy
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I posted this exact same post in the "Best Neg EVER!!!" thread but I think more people need to be aware of the concepts. I am re-posting this as it's own thread. What I want to discuss is the finer-points of the Neg - not just HOW-To, but WHY and what effect it has on the psyche.
Lets stop the barrage of bad 'Negs' by having a real discussion.
-GameBoy
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Originally Posted by Dace
"|||| me if I am wrong but you want to |||| me."
... I still remember being told this line by a mate who thought that it was a magic loophole "because there is no way out"
I hold a similar line in the back of my mind. Any time that 'the worst pickup lines' become topic, I think of:
"If I were to as you out; would the answer to that question be the same as the answer to this question?"
The problem with cheese-ball lines like these? There IS a way out - the girl will either laugh at you, turn away, slap you, or any combination.
Just stay away from lines like these.
But, while we're at it: Why do you guys think most newcomers to the game completely misunderstand what makes a Neg work?
I keep hearing insults - not Negs.
I'm guessing that these guys are overcompensating and thus, over reaching. It's almost a venting of frustration for some. As if, in their subconscious mind they're saying 'I’m gonna put this bitch in her place' and releasing years of pent-up AFC frustration.
A Neg should be something subtle and casual. I like the description 'backhanded compliment' - something you'd say to a little sister. As if, you're an asshole who is going out of their way to try and be nice. You're 'doing the best you can'.
Other times, it's the inflection that makes the neg.
I was out with a girl who had been a little flakey (the "I swear I’m not a flake" kind of flake)
On our way into the city the subject of how hard it had been for us to get together came up.
During this conversation I said something to the effect of "I figured that I’d call and give you one more chance because (blah blah blah something nice blah blah [the specifics aren't important - the important part is saying something pseudo nice here])
The "one more" (or other synonym) was said with just a hint of frustration and emphasis. With this girl - I have a good deal of attraction and trust built. Showing that I was coming close to taking it away caused a major shift in her body language and attitude. The effect was exactly what I was looking for.
Subtle signals and movements are much more profound BECAUSE of how natural or absentminded they seem. It is coded as something that must be read properly. The recipient feels that they have discovered something and thus the realization is much stronger. (The reward system of their own mind generates dopamine as a reward for being astute. This chemical signature helps to cement the memory of what was discovered deeper.)
Another thing to remember (I know I’ve touched on this already) is that you want the comment to fly under the radar of intention. If you were to say something of this nature in a direct fashion; the recipient will become defensive.
Have any of you attempted to train a dog before? (Tangent: Dog-training books provide some of the best resource material on reward/punishment dynamics.) When you're walking your dog, if he has an urge to run ahead you do not want to pull directly on his leash. Pulling backwards does little to deter him - he will only pull harder out of reflex (still trying to get what he wants) A better method of correction is to pull the dogs leash to the side. This throws the dog off balance and bypasses his resistance. There is no instinctual guard for this maneuver built into the dogs mind. Instead, the dog becomes stunned. If you perform this same maneuver whenever the dog tries to pull ahead, it'll simply stop doing that.
Negging is very similar. You're squashing behavior initially (even if that behavior is a prejudiced perception) - but the goal is to stay indirect. Pull the leash to the side.
Let’s look at Mystery's classic 'fake nails Neg'
If Mystery looked at a girls nails and said, "Wow, those look like shit."
Any person would initially react with defense. You're running headfirst at their wall.
But, by doing it in a subtle manner, you've managed to make your target a little self conscious (and thus less-confident of her situation - and thus less able to emotionally back up a bitch-routine [because that level of projected strength requires strong mental fortitude]).
Often times - all you have to do is create doubt: What a person's mind will do after that is more powerful than anything you could say.
***From this point I am building upon earlier statements and creating more analogies to solidify my topic points, as well as introducing a few new ideas/concepts: IF you're only reading for the Neg talk skip on to the next post.***
Who here plays poker? Not just ||||in' around with your buddies poker - serious Casio poker (and 1-2 limit doesn't really apply to these principles. 15-30+ [or some good 6-12 at the very least])
Mike Caro talks about an interesting phenomenon, in Caro's book of Poker Tells, a principle that I have expanded upon.
The basic premise is that people want to call you.
That is not to say that people want to loose - no one (other than a compulsive) wants to loose. What they're hoping for is the endorphin rush of a win. The price of a call is so small; they are willing to risk it.
Off Topic Tangent:
This is partly because they loose money in small increments and win it in larger blocks. The price of a call can be $30 into a $350 pot - seems worth it when you look at it that way. [This is tangent to TDs principle of Buying Temperature - it's a slow escalation that makes each jump less painful. I equate the entire process to being in a bidding war on eBay: You start off with you’re 'max' and little by little you're paying 3 times as much)
This is all due to 2 things 1) Ego and 2) The quest for happiness.
When viewed through this lens - risk vs. reward becomes a very skewed and very subjective subject.
Back to the subject: People want to call you. So then, how do you get them to do what you want? In this world, where everything is not what it seams, the best way is often to do something that has no meaning. Scratch your nose; hold your breath; breathe heavily; bite your nails; fart - do anything you like. Your opponent will likely read too much into it and invent a reason to rationalize what they already want to do.
Away from the poker table I apply this same principle in the for of Open-Ended-Statements. I’ll give you an example, then show you why:
I’m friends with a girl who has one of those online profiles (like MySpace, Tribenet, LiveJournal, Xanga – take your pick)
For whatever reason; she posted a picture of herself taken early in the morning. She’s not wearing any makeup, her hair is a mess and she’s in her PJs (and all of this was added as a disclaimer to the photo)
Instead of falling in line and commenting on the picture with something like “OMG You R so Hott!� I sent her an e-mail.
All the e-mail said was:
“I think its good that you posted this.�
When you make statements like this naturally, you often find out what lies beneath the surface.
A reaction to this statement is valuable because the recipient assigns the meaning.
“Why do you say that?� shows insecurities with her own looks. This is backed-up by the disclaimer attached to the photo – she’s fishing for compliments. Because you see that, you can navigate this potential mine-field a little easier.
As opposed to:
“Yeah, I thought it’s best to warn people up-front. It can be brutal to wake-up next to THAT!� –
Humor, the best reaction IMO. Tease her about it, and move on. She’ll see the compliment (a subtle one) and she’ll know that you appreciate her beauty – not worship it. That’s why she likes you.
There are an infinite number of ways to answer this question – what is important is reading the subtext underneath.
Just like a poker player wants to win a pot – many women want to fall in love. They are looking for an excuse to. The key difference between the two is that the poker-player knows that this pot has value, and the woman has no reason to think that you’re and different from the rest. (Pea|||| theory runs tangent to this thought)
Negs are one way to do this, but it’s a fine line to walk. If you insult her; you’re just confirming everything she assumed from the start.
A lot of guys who’ve read The Game and other material written by Mystery and Style remember that forging an emotional connection is a good thing – even if that connection is negative.
Well, that’s true… and it’s not.
Mystery and Style are mPUAs. An in is an in. If the target is invested in the conversation at all, that’s leverage; but the biggest lever in the world wont do you any good if you can’t wield it properly.
Someone new to the game is not going to have the ability to reframe and HB10 and recover.
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Teasing (or a tease-neg) can be useful to establish rapport. But stay away from the stronger negs used to open/disarm.
If you're already meeting her you do not need to set-up active disinterest. And, if she's a 6, a SOI will go much farther to establishing attraction.
Remember: As a PUA you want to be the exception to the rule.
(When interested You neg girls who guys are afraid to offend, and you show attraction to girls who are used to being brushed over/negged/insulted by the world.
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Originally Posted by annakin
Can you clear up one or two things for me?
I don't get the classic Mystery Neg "Nice eyes, can I touch them?� I get the reasoning behind a line like "I like your eyes, especially the left one" as it will unbalance them for a moment, but this one just seems weird to me.
Am I right in assuming that Negs don't continue past A2? Is this a big difference between C&F and MM?
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I can see your problem with this annakin. This isn't a 'Neg' as we've come to define them, but it is a very carefully crafted bridge.
[I am defining a Bridge as a transition point. In this case; I can see the 'Nice Eyes' line being used AFTER you're already in a set, but do not yet have the attention of your target.)
You could even break that line up into a 2-parter
GB: Nice eyes... (Said casually)
HB: Thanks... (Probably in a brush-off manner)
GB: Can I touch them?
HB: Excuse me?
You've got her attention focused on you now. Whatever automated defenses she has in place (e.g. 'Thanks...') have just gone right out the window. Hit a girl with something she's not prepared for and you can create an in.
If you work the recovery properly: you now look like a very together - but ODD - guy. Look at it as pea||||ing your personality - something about you stands out more and catches interest.
Another reason that Negs work: They have the ability to 'get inside your head'. No matter if it's positive or negative: Time that you take up in someone’s mind builds familiarity. That's a powerful emotion. They are becoming used to thinking about you - it's up to you to mold their thoughts.
Throwing out
GB: "I've been meaning to tell you - I like your glasses"
HB: "Thanks..."
GB: "Yeah, my friend Dan has a pair just like 'em."
(If she reacts harshly - tell her Dan's really fashion forward/metro)
Will be stuck in her head for a while.
$5 says she asks her friends if her glasses "look like a boy's glasses"
If you hear more about that line later - you know it stuck.
But part of the beauty is - you're doing all of this with a COMPLIMENT.
You said they (the eyes or the glasses) looked nice
She can't get too angry because you're still being (kind of) nice to her.
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Originally Posted by annakin
Also, the timing of negs? I believe they should be thrown like pebbles, just throw away comments midway through a routine, but should they come close together, or should there be a bit of a gap between them?
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This depends on the girl and your own style of game. You'll have to calibrate properly to figure that one out. Some girls will take/require a little more active disinterest up-front; others may require more spacing or fewer Negs.
I use a lot of tease-negs. After initial attraction is established, this is part of my character and reminds girls what they liked about me in the first place. A lot of them like how I 'bust their balls' or 'don’t treat them like a girl'.
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Originally Posted by Starman
While I think "neg" is a nice short word, easy to remember, too many guys seem to come across the term casually, without knowing exactly what it is. They interpret "neg" as meaning "negative" and get "insult."
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VAH has a great summary on the Types of Negs Mystery has developed, but perhaps we need to develop it further?
In my Initial posting I talked about Open-Ended-Statements (OES)
To me, "You blink a lot" falls under this category. You are not assigning any value to the statement (unless it is being done through inflection/delivery) - but the line carries weight. That gravity is assigned by the recipient only, and allows you to better read their inner levels of confidence and self worth.
I've looked at it as Neg being 'less than negative' - not all the way there, but along the same lines.
I agree that when 'throw a Neg' becomes 'say something negative', it deteriorates to 'say something bad'
For instance: people wanting to target: braces, acne, speech impediments
As if the girl isn't already aware of them?
When I can tell/suppose a girl is self-conscious about something: I avoid it. No Negs, no negative comments, no positive comments - Steer clear. She has too many pent-up emotions on this subject already. If you want to destroy her self-esteem: by all means go for it!
If you want to build something with her - just don't go there.
Targeting girls fake nails, her hair extensions, her high-heels - these are all things she is actively DOING to gain attraction points.
Showing indifference - and thus targeting her pride - will have a much more desirable effect.
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Originally Posted by Hatman/MuayThai ok, can someone please critique this formulation i've made:
“Is your hair real? Cos I like one side better than the other�. |
Muay-Thai:
"Is your hair real?" is a solid neg on its own.
Here is a mistake I'm seeing a lot of:
A lot of guys feel bad about negging, or they're afraid of the consequences.
Because of this anxiety, they validate their Neg when they don't have to.
If you jump right into - cuz I like one side better than the other - It doesn't seem natural. (And must, by default, be premeditated.) In that case- what kind of guy would say something like that in a premeditated fashion? (She asks herself an asshole (she answers herself)
If you want to seem natural - and include a validation point - you have to pause between the two or wait for a response.
GB: Is your hair real?
HB: What?
GB: It looks like a wig. This side doesn't look like it's on right.
HB: (either in shock or anger) It's not a wig!
And go from there if you want to build. Or, you can let it drop and simply rest on the 'Is your hair real?' Neg
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Originally Posted by Bayroot
GAMEBOY, I feel like you gave off the impression that you should be WAITING for reactions to negs. This is incorrect.
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Hey Bayroot
That's not what I was saying.
I'll clarify:
When I said;
Quote: Originally Posted by GameBoy "If you want to seem natural - and include a validation point - you have to pause between the two or wait for a response."
The key point is when you want to include a validation point.
The classic Mystery Neg
M: Are those nails real?
HB: No.
M: Oh... well they still look good.
Follows this structure. (*With one notable difference.)
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Originally Posted by Hatman/MuayThai
This isn't a backhanded compliment so it can't be a neg and may be interpreted as an insult straight off the bat, and that’s why I added in the compliment bit so the formulation is
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Is "You blink a lot." a backhanded compliment? Not that I can tell, but it is a classic Neg example.
This returns me to the original text and topic-flow:
It is apparent that Neg-Theory is an unfinished (or, at the very least, unrefined) concept.
By looking at how Negs work we can derive a new language and understanding about this concept.
Perhaps Negs should only represent a backhanded compliment.
How then do statements fit into the picture?
EG: You blink a lot or the (primarily online-only) It's good that you posted that picture.
What about 2 part routines - which work better as initial target interaction:
"Is your hair real?"
"Are your nails real?"
Rhetorical questions like: 'Is she always like this? How do you roll with her?' Fall into the Active Disinterest category - or Implied Lower Value (ILV)
By using the same term (Neg) to describe many different techniques, a lot of people are becoming confused. For ease-of-understanding: Lets breakdown what Negs are - how we see them - what kinds of negs there are - and why they work. From there, we can rebuild it into a stronger and easier-to-understand foundation.
All your women are belong to me.
-GameBoy
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Neg Concepts By Bayroot
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OK.
Negs are a form of FALSE DISQUALIFICATION. It serves to make her a little more self-conscious, so that she needs to revalidate herself to you in order to feel worthy again.
It's a DISQUALIFIER because it disqualifies you as a potential suitor. For example, if a guy is talking with a group of girls and he says to one "I love that shirt. It's really POPULAR these days. Everyone wears it!" he is disqualifying himself as a mate, because guys who want to pull girls DON'T SAY THIS SORT OF THING. They're trying to suck up, whilst this guy demonstrates the fact that he hasn't even THOUGHT about her as a potential mate.
It's FALSE because you don't really mean it, but she doesn't know that. When you say, "If I wasn't gay you'd be SO mine!� you are being false, as later you will say "Actually, my brothers the gay one. These are black nails not pink!�
When newbs look at that they say, "Hey, wait a minute? That's 2 different things! Telling her that you're gay doesn't make her self conscious or insult her!� That's because negs are MORE than that. But negs are NOT INSULTS. GET THIS FUNDAMENTAL IDEA FIRST. NEVER INSULT GIRLS. Negs are a form of FALSE DISQUALIFICATION, so saying that you're gay DISQUALIFIES you as a potential suitor. Get it? If not, read back from the start again.
When you are saying to her "You blink a lot", this is a neg. It's not an insult. You didn't MEAN to be rude; you just noticed an imperfection with her. This makes her more self conscious, raising your value and lowering hers EVER SO SLIGHTLY, but just enough. However, it's all about the delivery. Newbie’s will say, "YOU BLINK A LOT" and get blown out and then say "|||| negs, I'll never get laid!� Experienced guys KNOW that a neg is like a backhanded compliment, and that you have to come off SINCERE, like you were not being nasty about it. You say, "You blink A LOT! How cute!� Same line, different delivery, better result.
10's HAVE TO BE NEGGED because their self esteem is so ||||ing high. They are a 10. You roll up being a 7 and she thinks "eew, another loser guy with low value". Then you bust a neg on her, and she feels it "wow, he didn’t tell me I’m beautiful!� -1 confidence point for her, +1 value point for you. 9-8. Then she tries to get your validation back and you bust another neg. OK, THIS GUY MEANS BUSINESS. Now you're a ||||ing 9 to her and she's feeling like an 8! This is where you stop, you have higher value. STOP WHEN SHE STARTS QUALIFYING AND SHOWING INTEREST. This means you have demonstrated enough value and she thinks you are ACTUALLY higher value than her.
Same scenario with a 6. You roll up as a 7, and you already have higher value. You bust a neg. She feels like a 5 and you're now an 8. You made her feel like shit, and now you are too high value for her. Even though she IS attracted to you, she will NEVER get with you because a high value guy will just shag her and then move on for better women, because he is worthy of getting 7/8's AT LEAST to her. Also, you made her feel like shit, and she doesn't wanna be with a guy who makes her feel bad.
Because of this, you can just roll up to 6's and skip your DHV shit. You ALREADY have high value to her; she is throwing you IOI's right off the bat!
This is why
David D famously said that when he and his pals go to town, ugly women are the ONLY challenge to them. This post explains why. He is ||||y funny and he is BLOWING himself out.
If anyone wants me to elaborate upon this I will, but I've typed enough already.
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I feel like you gave off the impression that you should be WAITING for reactions to negs. This is incorrect.
You should THROW and go. Waiting for a reaction to a neg is a REACTION SEEKING behavior. It's not supposed to be a stand out point; otherwise it looks like you are TRYING hard to get that thing to make her react. It's supposed to come off a comment that is part of your personality.
THROW AND GO:
HB: (interrupting routine) Why are you telling us this stuff?
PUA: (to target) You know, your hair would look better if you wore it up. (Back into routine) So anyways, her next door neighbor...
If you wait for her to react the comment becomes a BIG DEAL. ATTRACTION is SUCH a small part of the whole GAME that I think you guys are placing too much emphasis on details. Some sets you only need to run attraction for a minute or two, and some sets you don't need negs for. Remember to focus on your whole game, and realize that the neg situation isn't a big deal. Don't make it look like you're trying hard to get her to REACT, otherwise you will probably trigger her BITCH SHIELD (she knows you want to get her emotional, and she won't allow that with someone that she doesn't know).
--Bayroot-- {More To Come}
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So you want to neg? Do it right. 
