Soul's Day Game Q&A - The Attraction Forums

londonsoul · #1 06-03-2008, 01:53 PM

Alright guys, here we go. Fire away with and all of your Day Game questions, and we'll keep this thread open as long as I have time to respond.

Day game is my major forté and I'm doing the next Day Game seminar with Love Systems/Mystery Method (check the website for full details).

One caveat before you post a question, check this Day Walking: The Differences between Day and Night Game before asking, it's a pretty long article I just wrote and may already include the answer!

Soul

Durk · #2 06-03-2008, 03:42 PM

Ok so heres my problem with daygame. How do you get them in an emotional and qualifying state after saying hi how are you? Would you stack it with a screening opener like is there more to you than meets the eye? or should I try to notice something about her and lead her into an emotional state from that?

I can work warm sets no problem and always pull who I want, but the above espescially in day game always feels like im in interview mode and not attraction mode.

So I guess transitioning from the opener lol

EightO · #3 06-03-2008, 03:44 PM

I read the article first; very good information! I do have a question though: How necessary is kino escalation in a Day Game situation? I know that in Magic Bullets it says to tone the kino down (for obvious reasons, most people don't want to be groped in public), but I am having a hard time finding the appropriate level.

londonsoul · #4 06-04-2008, 10:54 AM

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Ok so heres my problem with daygame. How do you get them in an emotional and qualifying state after saying hi how are you? Would you stack it with a screening opener like is there more to you than meets the eye? or should I try to notice something about her and lead her into an emotional state from that?

So I guess transitioning from the opener lol

If you're going Direct, which is my default type of game, then attraction is created very quickly. Essentially, step 1 is to make them really BELIEVE that you stopped them because you felt *compelled to*. I.e. don't deliver your opener like you're just stopping random girls on the street because you are a horndog.

E.g. "Hey, you're cute." is not anywhere as good as, "Excuse me, sorry I know this is really forward of me, but I just saw you walking past and thought you were so beautiful I had to say hello! I was going to kick myself if I didn't... so how are you? I'm Soul by they way."

Step 2 is any simple, short attraction routine that MAKES HER LAUGH. Don't get all neggy on her or try to be supercool, just make a joke out of the situation or tease her a little. E.g. "Haha, so this must happen to you all the time right? [No...] Oh honey, I think you are lying, I think you sit on the subway winking at all the cute guys waiting for them to talk to you!! Well I wasn't gonna wait for you to wink at me :-) "

Step 3 is being comfortable having a regular conversation with her (essentially a comfort type convo). E.g. "So what are you up to today? Oh cool, I'm doing X [X shoudn't be "chatting up girls" or "sarging"!!]. I'm really tired because I went out and had a massive night last night. Do you go out much?"

The important thing to note in Step 3 is that you have to be willing to TALK about yourself and make it INTERESTING. Don't go asking her a bunch of questions (e.g. where do you work? oh cool, how old are you? Oh cool, what do you do for fun? Oh cool, what are you friends like? Oh cool). You need to balance statements with questions.

You can stack routines if you like, but make them light-hearted and playful attraction routines. Don't start screening her straight away, as it could come off a bit "high and mighty" on the street. When you screen her, wait a few minutes until you are (hopefully) walking with her, and then ask her subtle questions about what she likes doing. Don't ask her to impress you, just be willing to find out more positive things about her than her looks.

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I read the article first; very good information! I do have a question though: How necessary is kino escalation in a Day Game situation? I know that in Magic Bullets it says to tone the kino down (for obvious reasons, most people don't want to be groped in public), but I am having a hard time finding the appropriate level.

You should always kino a little in daytime, but only social level kino, i.e. touch her arm lightly (I always do this when I open a girl on the street), shake hands. That's about it. When you get into instant date territory (e.g. you take her to a bar for a drink), you can ramp it up some more.

Your escalation up the the point of the instant date should be logistical and verbal escalation, rather than physical. For instance, escalate from standing with her on the street where you stopped her, to the side of the road (out of the way of the crowd), to walking with her down the street for a couple of minutes, to having a coffee with her, to going to a bar etc. etc.

Soul

twelve · #5 06-04-2008, 06:43 PM

If the situation is lightly time-constrained (Ex. Not alot of time to talk to her in venue, but she doesnt have a serious place to be)
What do you do before and during you instant-date her?

Especially instant-dating off the bus/subway, b/c it is generally more time-constrained, and harder to do smaller compliances moves (Like moving her a few feet).

btw thanks for the help clearing some things about day game, much appreciated.

unrated · #6 06-04-2008, 07:40 PM

For the most part, I'm a day-gamer and I've gone direct most of the time with great success. I found your post really insightful however I do have a question...do you think going direct on hired guns during the day is effective? I would imagine since guys aren't liquored up during the day, it should still have a shock and awe feel to it. I doubt many guys go into department stores semi-drunk and hit on the hot worker chicks there.

londonsoul · #7 06-05-2008, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by twelve

If the situation is lightly time-constrained (Ex. Not alot of time to talk to her in venue, but she doesnt have a serious place to be)
What do you do before and during you instant-date her?

Especially instant-dating off the bus/subway, b/c it is generally more time-constrained, and harder to do smaller compliances moves (Like moving her a few feet).

Your goal, and the reason why you want to spend as much quality time with her as possible upon first meeting, is to build comfort and therefore reduce flaking.

If you're time constrained, try to build enough of a comfort level so that she knows you to be different from any other random guy that might go up to her and ask her out. For example, find quick commonalities (do you both party a lot? both read a lot? both travel a lot?), and then suggest very loosely future plans around these. The other thing is to get beyond a "nicey nicey" conversation between two strangers into something a bit more personal. This can be as simple as asking, "So look, what do you like to do for fun?" She might give you some nicey, nicey basic answer back (e.g. "Oh you know I like going out and seeing friends"), in which you drill her down and say, "No seriously, like what are you really passionate about in life? I think it's important that people do things they love. What was that last thing you did that you really, really enjoyed doing?"

The other part of it is to make sure within that short space of time you spike attraction. A girl flaking on is normally either a lack of attraction or a lack or comfort. So make sure you demonstrate a range of different values (humour, intelligence, social intuition etc.) in as short a space of time as you can.

Follow up every number you get. I have laid girls from 30 second number closes, and had flakes from 30 minute conversations. You never know, so follow up with everyone.

londonsoul · #8 06-05-2008, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by unrated

For the most part, I'm a day-gamer and I've gone direct most of the time with great success. I found your post really insightful however I do have a question...do you think going direct on hired guns during the day is effective? I would imagine since guys aren't liquored up during the day, it should still have a shock and awe feel to it. I doubt many guys go into department stores semi-drunk and hit on the hot worker chicks there.

I think it depends. I do sincerely believe that going direct can work anytime, anyplace, but you have to be socially calibrated.

In this case, it depends where she is working. If she's a hired gun on the street, you can totally go direct on her. But in a department store, be careful of how many people are around her. For example, if it's obvious you're chatting her up, what if her colleagues/manager is around? She's not necessarily going to react well. So you might want to catch her when less people are around (this is why it's great to go into bars/shops when it's quiet), or just go indirect.

Soul

sys · #9 06-05-2008, 03:29 AM

hey soul, my question is focused in kino

my question:

1. my main sticking point in day game is kino escalation. what is your thought about kino escalation in day game?

2. what if the girl feel uncomfortable with your kino progression, do you stop or wait and do it again?

3. how to kino escalate when she is with her friend? is it okay to do it in front of her friend or do i just escalate both of them??

thanks soul

newbiepua · #10 06-05-2008, 08:52 AM

When you're going direct gaming, do you think being good-looking is a requirement, is it more important than in indirect game ? etc.