Babes with boyfriends

[Fable]

I meant not so hateful. My typing sucks.

[Starman]

Hey, no problem. Nice followup to clarify.
I think there's a big difference between being awake and asleep however, and even being hypnotized (for want of a better word) and asleep. I think that if you're "sweeping a girl off her feet" you're giving her something she wants. She wants that, and chooses it.
The same way, a guy will hit a strip club to have a fantasy for an evening.
If you really want to bail, you can. There was a HB9+ into me when I was married, and I chose not to let things escalate. I had decided on my limits already as a married man.
I think the problem is that most girls don't consciously decide where the line is with mere boyfriends. When they're engaged or married, they should have.

[HungLikeASeaHorse]

Originally Posted by Fable

Bullshit man. Thats just bullshit. Women are children until like age 40 or 50. Those who have game have the power to ultimately get a girl or woman do things she wouldn't normally do, because of how it affects her emotions. Basically, if you've got great game, good use it on those who aren't engaged, if you don't follow that rule, ur a fucking dick head. And I think u should be shot. Because you obviously have no clue of how much pain and destruction ur gonna cause do to your selfishness and over abundance of ego

"women are like children until the age of 40 or 50" what a load of absolute bullshit
woman are people and can nicely take responsibility for their own actions. this entire post stinks of the politically correct demasculinisation/psuedo-sanitisation of reality to suit those who cant stomach the idea that the world isnt a disney movie.
when you 'game' a woman, she still has free will. she will make concious choices, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. sure, the attraction she feels may be subconcious, but there are waypoints in the interaction where rational, concious choices are made, one after the other. if she makes a bad decision, the consequences are rightfully HERS to deal with, as is any discomfort she feels as her place in reality becomes apparent to her.
if a relationship is destroyed by a PUA because he was the catalyst creating a situation whereby the two engaged people actually see one or the others true colors, it isnt the PUAs fault. the couple in question simply misperceived each other.
fucking ridiculous line of thought. it only ends when women are wearing burquas and the sexes are segregated, because the mere presence of the opposite sex may lead to "pain and destruction"
if i ever had a motto, this would be it: "reach out with your hands, your mind, and your will, and take what you want in life...but be prepared to pay the price"
fancy treating 30 year old women like children in swaddling.

[Tony]

Chick with a boyfriend? No problem. As someone else pointed out, the girl may be using that as a defense against AFC's. And even if she's not, the commitment can't be too serious because she doesn't have a ring on her finger. And if she is really serious about the dude, then she'll rebuff even the best advances.
But not a married chick. That implies a whole cluster of ugly things that I would never be party to. There's kids, relationships between the husband and wife's respective families, property, money, etc. I can find my own female companionship without playing party to the destruction of a family. I don't buy the "If it ain't me, it'll be someone else" line. It ain't gonna be me even if it is going to be someone else.
Besides, I don't need to have some jilted psycho chasing me down the street with a shotgun while my pants are clustered around my ankles.

[Colin]

I don't want to sound holier than thou but as I've gotten older (mature) girls in relationships have been one thing I've weeded out (on going).But basically remember how much choice women have..period.If their present situation isn't ideal for them (wich is none of your business by the way )they will gravitate towards the better option.If you're purposely running game on a happily married woman then you are an ASS.A girl thats just had a BF for a few months..then I would'nt feel so bad. A lot of girls won't break-up with a guy unless she has something "on-deck". These girls are usually trouble.Be ready for the drama that will happen when getting involved with a girl with a BF(or even one that has recently broke up) She could be playing games. Girls do fucked up shit just as a lot of guys do,but don't get caught up in her drama.So much of this game is conveying that you are the better option (the best option).YOU have to be the one to determine what is the best option for YOU in the long run.If your game is tight and you are closing on a regular basis,then this isn't even a second thought. It's hard to stick to your guns out in field but be aware and know what you want that is congruent to your lifestyle and your frame that you are projecting. You are on the go and don't have time for pithy girl shit. With girls in any relationships decide if you want to be the "Adventerous Fling" or if you are the better option"next BF".

[turbine]

I had a huge debate about this with Cuervo the other night. I, personally, will not seduce a girl while knowing she's seriously involved with another guy, particularly girls with long-term boyfriends, fiancees, and husbands. My reason? Just because I have this powerful skill (which I don't fully have yet, but we're talking hypothetically here) doesn't lessen the pain that her man is going to feel when she cheats. Seriously, I won't do it because the pain of being cheated on is so awful that to inflict it on another man is, for me, a step backward in my quest for personal improvement. Cuervo's take was a bit more hedonistic; he basically said that if they'd cheat with you they'd probably cheat anyway and her relationship was doomed anyhow.
Call me naive but I think AFCs deserve a chance at love too.

[Russ]

Holy shit! You guys are alright here! When I read the title of this thread, I expected a bunch of "Who cares, if you can get an evening enjoying the pleasures of her flesh, why not bang her!?"
But the answers with which you all responded were intellectually as well as ethically backed-up, with the exception of one jack-ball.
The bottom line is, yes, many if not most women will say they have a bf right off the bat to AFCs who approach them early. I've said I was in a relationship when I wasn't to girls before that I liked, but wasn't overly attracted to, and didn't want to hurt. It's called being a decent human being. As is not stealing someone from a person they love with potential to become permanent when you only want a night/week/few days here and there of sex and fun. All's fair in love and war, but I'm assuming we aren't discussing love here.
Granted, there are different levels of "boyfriend." Some are new in her life, others are boring and the girl is stuck in a rut, still others are bad guys. But most would want to kill you for having sex with their girlfriends! And the pain and trouble that could cause in two people's life isn't worth it.
If I somehow wound up with her at my house, I'd press the issue of her relationship if I were doing really well with the girl and make sure I was something she was certain she wanted to do on my slimiest day!

I have a rule about guys who hit on my girlfriend
If he doesn't know about me he can walk away
if he knew about me I got to kick his ass.
I've been fortunate with girlfriends who were proud to be mine so they always stated that they had a boyfriend quick and got rid of the guy.
A Few drunk guys ended up out cold (no blood) one felt it for a long time.
Point-there are enough single girls out there, why risk the Karma?

[Selling]

Remember that a girl may mention a bfr even if she doesn't have one. They do it to close the door behind them.
But it is a dilemma, -many girls will not leave their current bfr until a new and better potential shows up.
And yes the HB10 don't stay single for long. If she is totally satisfied she will never fool around - if she is unsatisfied, play along.
Selling

[palmreader]

We all know and would probably encounter this dilemma at some point...
I suppose it depends on your personal stand...
-How much relationships mean to you
-Do you set yourself up to game HB already with r/s
-Consequences
I'm sort of impartial on this stand...since she's given you IOIs, you would have advanced from there. And don't bring up b/f issue unless she starts. If you bring this up, it could linger somewhere in her mind and really limit how far she's gonna end up with you. Or worse, she'll start comparing you 2 and have excuses to dump you there...Unless...
You've got good b/f destroyers, negs, etc or can ignore it and turn it around so that b/f is forgotten from then on.
A) If they're really committed ( like engaged or in a long r/s ), I would just eject gracefully and keep her friendship. Unless you're really good in b/f destorying, or just wait till you can convince her or their r/s to run into trouble. Problem with this, it'll likely take too long, no guarantees and you're better off sarging elsewhere. Still her friendship means she could introduce more girls to you. Impress them and word gets back to her as how wonderful you are(chance for you?). Again, there's danger of her becoming your 1-itis in the long run.
C) Consequences. As fellow members mentioned above, it would be bad if her b/f's your mate, knows someone close to you/some kind of relationship...this could tarnish your reputation in other areas of your life. And we don't want to start fist fights here. If you get her, treat as a fling. No more. Manage expectations and leave no regrets. Offer it as her choice...she's not married/engaged, she can decide.
Personally, I've just gotten over a 1-itis in University (fairly hard), she's just 20, good vibe with her b/f, etc...So, I keep her as friends and moved on. Would have worked since she WAS on the brink of breaking-up with him. Oh well...Great for advice on fashion, girly issues (yes, knowledge from girl's perspective is valuable) from her. I'm working well on other targets now after weeks of suffering one-itis. She's great for hugs and all, and perhaps sometime there's another chance for me? (I won't count on it, but..the urge of lust is ugly indeed...lol )
You have the power, have fun but be responsible. Her IOIs and saying her guy works when & such are great IOIs, IF you can work it out. Then again, this gives her the power. Not good.