The bait-hook-reel-release: question

[Peter_rabbit]

Originally Posted by DUKE3100

Guys.
What your doing is making a common newbie mistake. New guys look at the line itself and fail to understand the frame. Basically when you do this right you want to convey one of two things:
1) Your playful
or
2) Your trying to resist her and be a gentleman...you don't want to fall for her, your trying to play hard to get, your trying not to fall for her...
Anything that conveys that she is starting to win you over but you are trying to resist it is money for this. Recently on a deep set I had a moment with a girl with strong eye contact...you could feel the electricity in the air. I was like "wow...thats really awesome..your so cool...you know what...I gotta get some air...I just gotta get away for a second and think. if you do indirect right you want to steal a womans frame. A big frame for a woman is resisting against being seduced. She doesnt usually fall for a guy in a bar or that quickly. Your just some guy....so you want to reverse that frame on her dudes. thats all this is. Look...at some point you gotta start to show interest. The more you seem to be in conflict over this increasing interest the more valuable she is going to feel when she wins you over and the more real it will be. For best results this should really be how you think and feel. You should have high standards and you should truely be able to connect and feel for a womans unique energy and be trying to resist it.

Good words. Most interestin

[Stormshadow]

I read a few of the posts in this thread...and I just need to make a plug for the bait-hook-reel-release...it is pretty much all I do, and it works like a charm. I should be expanding to use all of the mystery method weapons in the arsenal...but my hard drive on my laptop crashed and is completely destroyed and that had my VAH on it, so I can't reference the VAH anymore...and the only thing I remember is Bait-hook-reel-release...for the most part. Because the BHRR seems to be a good mix of all the MM techniques. I open (indirectly) and I'm right into the BHRR...I tell a story or play a game (or both), I get her to tell a story, I pretend like there's a special connection, then I blow her off playfully...and it's all over but the cryin'...now that is of course when I'm in practice, because it is all about calibration. I'm not quite a PUA because I work like 60 hours a week and I have a few high time-consuming hobbies...so when I know I'm going to be busy for a while, I usually latch onto the last girl I successfully gamed for about a week or two until I have time to re-calibrate...and then...it's Bait-Hook-Reel-Release...I re-calibrate for a little while, and once I'm recalibrated, I usually get almost all of the girls I approach.
Otherwise, there is too much to remember since I lost my Venusian Arts Handbook when my HD friggin' exploded. A1, A2, C1, C3...jumping from one place to another, what all the IOIs are, AMOGs, you think I remember all that?...ppppfffftttt...I can't remember all that, so I line up some canned openers and I BHRR baby. Keep it simple. Even when I haven't run any game in a while I just keep coming back to that.
Stormshadow

[holyskeleton]

ok im guessing here but instead of saying "cant even talk to you anymore" maybe i could say:

"whoh, calm down, you are doing what? no way?"
"are you serious?" in a least emotional way.

would that work?

[OV_Legend]

guys....it's all ||||y funny in the delivery of the release.....it's delivered with a really outragously emotional face so she knows you're kidding then a smile.....then a backturn........you want her to laugh, grab your arm and turn you around......the other desired effect is a light slap on the arm which we all know is a good thing......at this point you're flirting....you're having fun....it's a little push pull.....it's not a complicated thing!! Don't read too much into this stuff......just have fun with it. :-)

[9Breaker]

Its not all necessarily C&F. Thats one great way but you can also make it genuine. If you've seen the DVDs, Mystery talks about discovery this theory thorugh an interaction she had with a girl. When she found out he was an illusionist she was like "OMG i LOVE magic...i used to be an assistant for an illusionist, who's your favorite illusionist?" and mystery said some name i've never heard of and she said "No shit he's my favorite too....this is too weird I can't talk to you anymore" and she said it SERIOUSLY. Mystery felt SOO validated by her genuine interest in what he does that when she did this he just said "FUUUUUUUUCK" to himself and wanted her more. She didnt say it in a C&F way she said it genuinely.

[emceeSteez]

Originally Posted by holyskeleton

ok im guessing here but instead of saying "cant even talk to you anymore" maybe i could say:

"whoh, calm down, you are doing what? no way?"
"are you serious?" in a least emotional way.

would that work?

nah, it takes the teeth out of it and stays comfortably within her frame as you project your interest in HD.

you could try the 'it'd be boring agreeing with you' angle or a 'how do i know you won't steal my kidneys and leave me in a bathtub in Singapore filled with ice cubes?" or say you're too high maintenance.

-B