Lifestyle of Seduction

[Harlequin]

Feel free to continue the debate here people, though now that this is in the best of, any posts that bring no value to the discussion will be deleted by Fad3r. Take no offence at this; it merely saves people reading the fluff.

[Primal]

This is like a new dimension of pua, that is not encountered very often. reminds me of something style would say (before his 'success'). This is the most profound post i have ever read, if i could give 100 quality points i would.
Also reminds me of what happened yesterday to me. I live in Brisbane, which has one of the biggest Tekken 5 community in the world. now, i've noticed that im obsessed with the game lately, i dream about new combos, i play for a couple of hours a day, and i waste money on it constantly.
But yesterday, after playing i just realized that it doesnt fit in with me as a person, and so i dumped all my tekken shit, threw the game away, and am never gonna play again. because it only serves to take away from living my life through ME, and not through a stupid game.
i encourage all to get behind this post and really analyze how your life is encouraging your success in every area (be it social awareness / skills, money, and just lifestyle in general)
beautiful post.... peace + piece all

[Roll Call]

All things being equal, it's easier to have hobbies that aren't "geeky".
Sure, a man can define his reality, but that's not to say that it's equally straight-forward to define all situations in a positive manner.
It is easier to frame cool hobbies in a positive light: "Although I work as the lead singer in a successful rock band as my day job, I like to spend my spare time as a volunteer firefighter in an impoverished community."
The more incongruent your hobby is with your sarging persona, the more difficult it is to frame it positively in every interaction at all times that it comes up. It's not impossible but your chances of failure are greater.
I'm not saying you shouldn't try something just because it is difficult. Difficulty is no excuse. But when you are investing time and energy in trying to get results, you need to think long and hard about continuing behavior that makes those results more difficult to obtain. Is it worth risking success a little to keep that behavior?
And I think that's where Cedar's fundamental point about knowing yourself well comes in: if DnD is absolutely fundamental to who you are, you should NOT give it up. Even if you get results through your gaming, you'll only end up bitter that you sacrificed a part of yourself in exchange for something that means less to you. It's ultimately a balancing test.

[Heat]

Dropping hobbies for the sake of a new lifestyle is all relative. Maybe you can develop tight enough game to get laid by talking about the details of Capt. Kirk's uniform on the third season of Star Trek. That's great.
On the other hand, and I'm speaking from personal experience here, sometimes people have geeky pursuits BECAUSE they lack confidence or social skills. Geeky jobs and hobbies let people avoid uncomfortable social situations, and people get really into these hobbies.
There is nothing wrong with reevaluating your preferences based on your abilities to attain them. If you build a skill set that lets you do things you didn't consider possible before, then you may decide that your previous pursuits are no longer the best way to spend your time.

[seldomseen]

This is a good thread.
I remember years before I even knew about the community I was dating a HB 8 and I would take her to the coffee shop with me and she'd watch as I played chess or talked or talked to a few friends about comics. When a girl is really into you she doesnt care. My friend did alot of activities that are considered nerdy but he pulled the hottest babes ever.
However I do think in the beginning you may want to hold off on things that you're into. Let her discover that after she's built an attraction towards you which she can't reverse after the fact. If you meet her and within 2 minutes you put on a StormTrooper helmet or even pull out a set of cards with orcs on them her interest may drop (okay Im being a bit sarcastic about the helmet) quickly but if she's strongly attracted it wont matter. My ex girlfriend hated Lord of the Rings but she sat through all 3 movies with me (poor her, LOL) because she wanted to do things that I wanted to do and at times I would sit through her girly flicks so there was a trade off.
Myself I'd rather date 6.5, 7's and 8's who accept everything about me than have to cater to the lifestyle of 9's and 10's who need to be seen out at Martini bars or with 'cool' people or have celebrity lust and whatever else. No thanks. For 1 night yeah but for a relationship, hell no.

[cybear]

This is a fairly old post, but I felt that I have to write my opinion about it.
I always enjoy Cedar’s posts, actually, when I log on I search for his posts first.
I have a feeling that the most of the IT guys just don’t want to accept that they want to change their lifestyle.
I think those who judge Cedar are only getting parts of the puzzle. MM is about getting girls, because beta behaviour is best seen when you talk to women. But, the ultimate goal is to fix your inner game and became the superior man (David Deida). I hope you can agree with this.
I think Cedar was right, this forum is full with IT people. I’m one.
Ten years ago, I wanted to be the best network engineer in my country, I’d spent day and night to achieve this goal. And I suceeded it. I thougth I was the shit. Sure, I was, to a couple of computer geeks I gave up my social life for being an expert in the field. And I missed that life. People are social creatures.
Computers are alien to women, they may listen to you while you’re talking about computers, internet, applications, but they love YOU, not computers. They can’t identify themselves with this nerdy stuff. They love emotions, actions which computers don’t have.
Few years ago I was an avid game player, but games gradually got deleted and now, there is no game on my computer. Sure, I play games, but only when being physically together with my friends– as a social activity.
This may sound weird, but run Style’s elicitation of values on yourself. Find your values and change your nerdy stuff to real life stuff.
You like freedom, try sailing, parachuting, etc.
You like excitement, try car racing, etc.
You like power, try martial arts, etc.
These are all stuff that gain you friends, social circle, stories and experience HUNDRED times better than on computer.
Try it, and you will change, you will FEEL that you want to do the real life stuff instead of playing DnD on the computer.
If you do this, your social circle will be huge. I have a natural friend, and , although I think I’m better at cold approaches, he doesn’t need to do those. He’s got such a huge social circle that hot girls are introduced to him all the time.
Cheers,
c.
BTW, this is my first post. After this I can, finally, see the peacocking pictures

[alpha_v01]

Thanks to this GREAT post, it had provoked my conciousness about the game, the lifestyle and the I.
Who am i who am i?
I am a creative philosophical warrior.
I want to live life to the fullest.
I want to be truthful, not decieting.
I am artistic. I am intelligent. I am fun. I am a man with substance.
I want to be able to say to my kids or grandkids, "I ve been there, done that"
When i die, i will smile, and say to my loved ones,
" dont be sad for me, i lived to what life have to offer.
And though regrets i had a few, i had no regret on living.
I furfilled most of my dreams, and i think i can rest with ease now.
You- remember, live and make life worth living. "
After this post i was reading, i finally understand my dillema, on WHO AM I.
I want to be a great PUA, lifestlye filled with HBs and ppl who admire me.
So i started IMMITATING some mPUA and follow their methods to the word.
BUt after awhile i found out it does not work as good for me.
Must i change my life so that i can become like them?
Must i change who i was?
And thanks to this post, i found out the answer for myself.
What i should do, is not tearing myself apart, and become the "CLUB GUY" or the "WOMEN's CHOICE"...
What i should do, is be who i am, but a BETTER, smoother more sellable version.
Elaborate my streghts, become a CREATIVE FREAK i was, bu become the CREATIVE FREAK that everybody loves and admire.
Repackage yourself, but change not the substance. The substance is the most important. The packaging is just the gimmick
that makes ppl give enough attention to find out who you are.
I think the skills and methods of attraction really works, but we have to modify and internalize it to suit the
environment, to suit you.
And in this seduction/attraction business, we are only tought about the game- how to play it. WHY you play it, and how
you want to work for your life is totally up to you.
Thanks guys, i think the only way to go from here is UP.
your down to earth friend,
A

[Profundido]

Very nice topic, but I don't get it Cedar. Am I the only one that believes that the relation between getting and keeping a girl is the most obvious relation ? I find it so obvious that I don't even know where to begin explaining or why anything should be explained. I'll just limit it to the extreme then shall I:
you don't watch trekke movies to get a girl so you don't watch them to keep her. If you need that on a daily basis, then train the girl to only see you 1 day in the week (the one day where you don't need that stuff but do something else and do it with her)
I have different relationships with different girls going on. I admit that among other sources I have been successfully ussing mm for the general approach and 'getting the women'. I just extrapole to keep them and it works like a damn charm. I have X coming mostly on tue and/or Friday while Y comes monday and Z comes on any of the other days while I keep some of them free for my own private life such as playing mmorpg with my friends (calendar planned events)
I don't appear geeky at all and I'm not. But I do like some geeky stuff such as Stark Trek and video games. I've got no problem keeping both (AND the girls AND the geeky fun) in my life. The only clue I had to 'get' was to keep them seperated just as much which evolved into the following truth: Geeky fun stuff is like another girl. If you treat it that way you won't mix them and never have trouble She'll also never become jealous of you spending hours on it.
However, if you don't wanna keep a distance between having girls in your life and you wanna keep that one super girl that you got from a good night of sarging into your life, marry her, F*** her without protection and make a billion kids...then I suggest you start out by deciding for yourself if you are able to make this which you do to get the girl as your permanent actions, your way of life, in other words are you congruent inside in terms of how you feel when you do these actions and thus drop most of the daily geeky fun just as you did in your pickup phases. (to test, just try it. If you suddenly feel that you seriously miss some geeky fun then you know you're addicted to it )
and one othet thing to remembe: it's one thing to get a 10 and F*** her or date her on a weekly basis. It's another thing love eachother and respect eachother. She may be great for dating and fun but she may be unrespectful of those things that YOU like and thus not interesting to you at all. If this is the case, ask yourself if that 10 is really a 10 to you. You might actually end up changing your personal rates and meet a 7 the next day that totally loves you and understands that you need your daily geeky stuff in order for you to be happy and you might feel 10 times better with her....who's the 10 then ?

[Cedar]

Originally Posted by Profundido

Am I the only one that believes that the relation between getting and keeping a girl is the most obvious relation?

You will not succeed in pick up until you are comfortable meeting a beautiful women, spending an amazing time with her, and never seeing her again. Until you accept the abundance of women, and remove your needy desires to see her over and over, you will not succeed.

There is no relation between seeing her once and seeing her again. The difference between pick-up and dating is your comfort with hook-ups. Wild, weekend long relationships with beautiful girls. And no obligations. No meeting the parents. No long discussions about anyone boring job. Or the constant interview process of meeting their friends.

It's pure, its unadultered. It's bliss. You meet her. You spend time with her. You sleep with her. And if something's there.... you see her again. If not. You have a fantastic memory. And your time to pursue other girls or other interests.

Stop pushing your agenda of a relationship on every girl. It's another obligation. I for one have enough obligation in my life. The only thing I want to add is fun. Bring the fun. Be fun. Show her a fun time. After enough fun, the two of you may like each other enough to add a sliver of obligation.

Just don't expect it.