The bait-hook-reel-release: question - The Attraction Forums

Quicksilver · #1 08-08-2006, 03:45 PM

The OAP Issue #4 tells us that the RELEASE part is the most difficult one in this method. My question is what the goal is with releasing? It is said that the release should be a slight disqualifier but how should this be executed?
This is taken from the OAP:
"You are trouble for me, now that I know that about you. You're amazing. I can't even talk to you."
If I try saying this to myself right now it sounds really stupid. Are there any other release examples? It would be good to hear others so that it becomes easierto understand the purpose of it.
Thanks

Hysteria · #2 08-08-2006, 04:23 PM

Excellent post. Have you read the Venusian Arts Handbook? In it, the chapter on A3 discusses various releases you can do. I know this now, because I once had a similar question about a month or two ago, where I would ask myself, "Are there any other releases BESIDES 'I can't even talk to you any more'?"
Any Indicator Of Disinterest (IOD) may be used here. Stop talking, backturn, small neg, whatever.
The point of releasing is to lighten up your IOI for her. She's answered your question (her DHV to you), and now you're hitting on her with the IOI-loaded Reel... "No fuckin' way! You like going to clubs and dancing with your friends? I LOVE that! Holy shit!"
This is almost too much hitting on her, so you calibrate it with a Release... "Oh my god, I can't even talk to you any more!"

Quicksilver · #3 08-09-2006, 01:11 AM

Thanks for the reply. No I do not have the Venusian Arts handbook yet, I have just started this whole thing and it has already changed my whole thinking, which I will have to try out on field first.
However, I don't understand one thing. When you finish with something like "This is too good, I can't even talk to you anymore." and turn away, being all quiet, will her reaction not be like "Erm, what the fuck? What is he doing?" My guess is that the best thing to finish this with is to have someone else near that you could start talking to directly after turning away... right?

Flipmode · #4 08-09-2006, 02:08 AM

It's ALL on delivery. You can say it in a way that will make her think "Erm, what the fuck? What
is he doing?" and maybe even walk away. But you can say it in such a way that she grabs you
and is giving you strong kino, trying to win your attention back.
Your delivery of the release should make her know you weren't being serious, you're not doing it
to REALLY stop talking to her, just playing with her and you are EXPECTING her to grab you and
turn you round (remember when you false IOD'd... Right after a strong IOI... that she deserved.
She will mainly re-initiate the interaction because of the IOI if anything).
Example delivery:
"Omg! *Throwing arms up in the air like a stroppy teenager* I can't even TALK to you now *Turning around*"
If you do it with the right delivery and energy, it will just merge into the flow of the interaction
smoothly, and she will know what she has to do.
Hope this helped.
-Flipmode =o

SilkyJ · #5 08-09-2006, 01:01 PM

I've been having trouble grasping the flavor of the Bait-hook-reel-release. This shit is one of the most important parts of the game, and I don't get it :P
Is the initial IOI supposed to be genuine, or is it supposed to be so exaggerated so that they kinda get a hint that you're kidding?
Something tells me it's supposed to seem genuine, at least from what Mystery says.
And the IOD, the release; "I can't talk to you anymore." Why not? I know Mystery said because "you're trouble," maybe because you're pretending that she's playing with your head? Is the IOD genuine??
I really want to get this down, any help is appreciated.

Flipmode · #6 08-10-2006, 03:02 AM

My view is when BHRR is used in the A3 stage the IOI should be interpreted by her as genuine. Follow this by a quick false disqualifier to dampen the IOI you gave and keep her on her toes, without giving too much power away. The false disqualifier should be such that she knows that you aren't serious, but questions in her mind how serious you actually are. The earlier IOI will still be valid in her eyes and that's why when you false disqualify she'll re-initiate the interaction. It's just a more detailed push/pull method.
Hope this helped some.
-Flipmode =o

SilkyJ · #7 08-10-2006, 07:16 AM

Thanks, man. That puts things into perspective.

Quicksilver · #8 08-10-2006, 09:43 AM

Haha I was reading the forum yesterday when one of my friends logged on MSN. I figured I should try my newly accquired knowledge on her and see if it works. This is what happened.
She logs on MSN and says hello to me. I greet her back and then she asks me whats up and the usual stuff. I start telling her a concious DHV story, which I have never done before (I am new). In between I launched some negs at her. I didn't notice any reaction til I used the bait-hook-reel-release. When I got the chance I asked her what the funniest thing she has done this summer was. She told me she was going to Spain.. I was like "OMG you're going to Spain? That's awesome! I love travelling!" She answered that she could take me with her in her suitcase. I answered that this is too good, "you're making me jelous, I can't talk to you anymore!". Her reaction really shocked me. I even stated laughing of joy, it really works. She was all over me! "Noooooo please don't! Of course you can talk to me... pleaaaaseee!

"
Kickass material.
However, I have not yet started reading the comfort part of the OAP, so everything messed up and she lost interest.
This wasn't any real field experience, but I took the first chance to try it out, and trust me, it did work.

Hypnovibe · #9 08-11-2006, 06:49 AM

Guys.
What your doing is making a common newbie mistake. New guys look at the line itself and fail to understand the frame. Basically when you do this right you want to convey one of two things:
1) Your playful
or
2) Your trying to resist her and be a gentleman...you don't want to fall for her, your trying to play hard to get, your trying not to fall for her...
Anything that conveys that she is starting to win you over but you are trying to resist it is money for this. Recently on a deep set I had a moment with a girl with strong eye contact...you could feel the electricity in the air. I was like "wow...thats really awesome..your so cool...you know what...I gotta get some air...I just gotta get away for a second and think. if you do indirect right you want to steal a womans frame. A big frame for a woman is resisting against being seduced. She doesnt usually fall for a guy in a bar or that quickly. Your just some guy....so you want to reverse that frame on her dudes. thats all this is. Look...at some point you gotta start to show interest. The more you seem to be in conflict over this increasing interest the more valuable she is going to feel when she wins you over and the more real it will be. For best results this should really be how you think and feel. You should have high standards and you should truely be able to connect and feel for a womans unique energy and be trying to resist it.

Peter_rabbit · #10 08-11-2006, 07:01 AM

dude, thats great cuz everything new is just helping you to build urself up more and more, plus online seems easier to game and its all confidence buildin.
David D actualy practised alot of his shit online b4 he becam the smooth talking C & F man he is 2day. Keep goin my friend and neva stop until ur perfect... which no one is!