FR Journal - Ghosebag and LaffeyTaffey - Input needed, please

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    So today didn't go as planned because we weren't able to get out in Orlando and were pretty burnt out by the time we got back after being in the sun for way too many hours.

    It wasn't all negative though as I had the time to read the entire openers section of the routines manual on Stacked's Kindle and we walked around the car auction we were at discussing them and getting them down (of course we changed a couple of things to customize them to ourselves). I took notes of the opening line of each on my phone so I have a quick reference to use when we're out (just doing this allowed me to actually have and remember 6+ openers when we went out later). Most importantly however was that we had a bunch of great and fun conversation that ultimately culminated with a really good opener that was the only one we used once we went out (more on this to come). Despite this we didn't make any approaches in Orlando.

    Still, I came back and worked out, same as yesterday but I pushed myself to do 4 minutes of pushups. Stacked needed the day to recover which is understandable. If he can do it again tomorrow or even the day after he'll be on his way and by next week I expect him to be doing the work out daily with me.

    After that we ate dinner before heading out to the mall again to grab some Haagen Daas for dessert and open a couple sets. We had work to do and the mall was closing so we didn't stay out for long but I opened a hired gun (is a girl even considered a hired gun if she works at haagen daas?) and another slightly older chick (late 20s?) who was pretty hot. I definitely would not have opened her 3 days ago so that was cool.

    We opened both sets with "Excuse me, quick question: would you date a guido?"

    We had planned a follow up line of something similar to "We were just talking about this and clearly Stacked here is the more sensitive one of the two of us because he thinks it might be acceptable for a girl if the guy has a great personality. I, on the other hand, don't believe any self respecting girl could date a guido."

    In both sets we didn't even need the follow up because the girls responded with things that we could naturally build off of and led to a normal conversation. Actually, the second chick kind of ejected fast or pretty much kept walking but I thought it was pretty cool that when I first said "Excuse me, quick question" you could tell that she wasn't interested and was looking to blow me off. Once I asked the question though you could almost see her thought going from "is this guy hitting on me?" to actually considering the question before responding. Either way I was only really looking to open and get over approach anxiety and I pretty much left it at that.

    Also, for those that are looking at this, Stacked and I could use some input. We discussed this today and didn't really reach an agreement. I use "Excuse me" a lot when I open to get targets' attention and its worked thus far. I'm a loud guy and haven't been ignored once and gotten to my opener easily in each case. Stacked thinks my approaches could be stronger by just leading with "Hey" or "Quick question" because "Excuse me" is almost asking their permission to talk to them. I don't see it the same way or don't really think their is a difference if I'm firm about it, which I am, so we wanted input.

    I'm hoping Stacked gets on and posts his thoughts on it briefly when he's done working because I'm not sure if I verbalized his opinion or reasoning on this correctly.

    Thanks in advance, boys.

    -Ghosebag


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    Day 4

    So we haven't updated in the past couple days which is our bad but we didn't make it out much.

    Day 4 did not go as planned at all. We went to the mall because my aunt works for the local news station and there were some of her coworkers there who had heard about me and also an intern my aunt said was cute. We figured I'd have social proof and what not and decided to go meet her. We came up with a game plan of having Stacked open her and social proof me a bit more also as a lower risk thing because its similar to social circle game. When we got there though the intern was at lunch so I introduced myself to one of the ladies who'd heard about me and chatted a little before ejecting. We weren't really feeling it apparently because if we were we would have opened sets instead of trying the newest MLB game at the Sony store (highly recommended, btw). When we came back Stacked and I had a miscommunication (no offense to Stacked but I blame him) and for some reason he walked by without opening her. Due to this we ended up hovering for probably a minute too long in the open part of the mall before I turned around and approached. Obviously the set did not go according to plan but I focused on not fucking it up anymore then we already had so I have another chance to build attraction in the future.

    Day 5

    Again we weren't feeling it. Went out but didn't approach any sets that I remember. Overall though it wasn't that bad as we discussed a lot of things while walking around and broke down sets from the days leading up to that.

    Day 6

    Day 6 was our best yet. We decided to head to the USF campus to hang out and see what was going on and we'd been really focused the days before on improving openings and what not despite the fact we didn't have any sets (which was our own fault). That changed yesterday.

    I can already see Stacked improving his social skills everywhere we go. He now talks to all hired guns without second thought. He's more being friendly than anything but its very indicative of his confidence going way up.

    Anyways, right after we arrived an older woman was walking through the parking lot so I asked about places to eat on campus and got a positive response (i'd be very concerned if I got shot down asking a legit question lol). We moved to the USF student center with Stacked grabbing a bite to eat. I opened a set of two girls in line with an opinion opener. Neither were particularly attractive but it was a warm up set and I received a decent response except for one girl making it abundantly clear she was married. Still, this isn't something to look into too much as it was on topic with my opener. At the same time, Stacked talked to the lady working the food place also as a warm up.

    After that we moved around campus and opened a couple sets just asking what was going on and what there was to do on campus. Found a little bar type thing on campus with free pool tables so we chilled there for a bit while we waited for a water fight we heard about to start. We went to that but it was tiny and lame so we left and roamed campus. We passed a pair of hot girls and didn't open. This definitely pissed me off and we made it very clear to ourselves we were going to open sets from then on.

    Very next girl that walked by was very cute brunette who I opened immediately. Stacked was supposed to write a report about this set because he said I did a lot of things well but he's busy with poker at the moment. I might make a more detailed FR on the forum later tonight but long story short I opened with our default opinion opener and started a conversation. The girl was clearly interested, gave a lot of IOI's, including asking me to remove my sunglasses late in the conversation so she could see my eyes. I number closed and we both got invited out to Ybor city which is nearby and has a good night life. We ejected and I focused on text game until later that night. I can post that in the actual field report as well.

    Next girl that walked Stacked open. It was kind of funny because a tour group walked right in between Stacked and the girl at the beginning but he recovered well, made a joke about it and ended up with her number. She wasn't as entertaining so I doubt he'll be following up much with her and if so, it'll be to work on text game.

    Final set of the afternoon was two girls sitting at a bench as we walked back to the car. Stacked opened and got a conversation going. I didn't think they were that interested and tried to eject while Stacked kinda plowed. We made a mistake there and didn't have clear communication. I didn't think the set was going well, it looked like the girls were getting bored. When we discussed it after I realized I personally should have been a better wing and helped Stacked out instead of trying to get both of us to bail. Overall we weren't legitimately interested anyways so its no big deal but it was a great learning experience because I know we'll have to plow more and more as we approach hotter and hotter women.

    Night game

    Today was the first night we've gone out at night as well and we headed to Ybor mainly because of the Brunette. We made it a point to be out not because of her and arrived early, checking out the area. In fact we ended up not really meeting her though it appeared she had a boyfriend. I'm going to have to look into that more in the next couple days but its no big deal either way (live a life of abundance, right?).

    We went into a bar called Coyote Ugly and Stacked opened a hired gun who happened to be from about 15 minutes from where we moved from in Cali. She was cool and knew our names by the end of the night so we should have a little social proof there to build on next time. While we were in the bar Stacked was intent on using the "you know why you suck?" opener but he spent too long scoping things out and pretty much froze up. Still, its a pretty challenging opener to start with for your first time in night game so he learned what to do next time. While Stacked was scoping things out a hot blond pretty much fell into my lap which was obviously nice. She was with a friend who left her for a couple moments when she was standing a couple feet from me looking bored so default opener (is gold) and she was leaning in quite a bit showing a lot of interest. I ended up not really building any attraction and I also failed at bringing her friend into the set when she returned. I number closed right at the end of the night and used call back humor when I texted her later. She never texted back which isn't much of a surprise but like I said, its pretty understandable without me building attraction. I'd also like to add I kino'd well with her which was the first set I'd really tried it.

    Overall we had a very good day, opening 5 or so sets with 0 blowouts and 3 number closes.

    We're actually listening to the "on value" interview series right now to begin focusing on attraction. This is my strongest ability when it comes to game and probably one of Stacked's weakest. We'll probably be spending over a week on this and I'm hoping to come out a badass after that time :-)
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    Good stuff dude. You guys should be challenging the shit out of each other.

    How are the girls out in Tampa? I imagine FL has some hotties. My buddy loves southern girls and always tells me how they r more feminine and ladylike compared to their a bit obnoxious midwest counterparts.

    How is the nightlife scene at Ybor city?

    Do you have to deal with a lot of mixed sets out there? In chicago there are mixed sets out the ass, it forces me to have to talk to guys alot and break into sets at night.

    Fuck dude it must be paradise out there, you can daygame all year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonovanVC View Post
    Good stuff dude. You guys should be challenging the shit out of each other.

    How are the girls out in Tampa? I imagine FL has some hotties. My buddy loves southern girls and always tells me how they r more feminine and ladylike compared to their a bit obnoxious midwest counterparts.

    How is the nightlife scene at Ybor city?

    Do you have to deal with a lot of mixed sets out there? In chicago there are mixed sets out the ass, it forces me to have to talk to guys alot and break into sets at night.

    Fuck dude it must be paradise out there, you can daygame all year!
    The girls out in Tampa are pretty hot, at least compared to NorCal. Compared to SoCal its pretty close. Most of the girls here seem pretty cool and not superficial like Cali girls so that's pretty tight.

    Nightlife in Ybor wasn't too bad. Neither of us is really comfortable with mixed sets just yet, we need to power through that ASAP.

    As for daygame, Stacked and I are pretty pumped. We can go at it all year long and its actually what we prefer. I don't mind bars or clubs but I'd much rather be out enjoying a regular day with the ability to meet women as opposed to going out on the prowl.
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    Day 7

    We didn't get out much today, just Subway for dinner then checked out some bars walking distance from our place.

    Stacked and I disagree on this first set. My opinion is that I got blown out, Stacked says it was in my head and that her reaction was understandable.

    Sitting in Subway and two hot blonds walked in (both 8s) and ordered. One (HBtarget) walked by us on the way to the bathroom and on the way back...

    Ghosebag: Hey, would you ever date a guido?
    HBtarget [doesn't stop walking]: What? Why would you ever ask that? Don't ever ask that to someone lol
    G: Lol, thank you! That was the exact reaction I was looking for! Its an obvious no, right?! No one in their right mind would ever date a guido!
    HBtarget [on other side of store by now]: I mean, I'd never say never but... [sits down at table with other friend. Conversation over.]

    Two things. First of all, I want to consider this being blown out because it'd be my first time getting straight shot down and honestly, it wasn't bad. I had a good laugh about it and actually found it pretty entertaining and fun.

    Second, I realized I could have plowed and actually qualified her immediately if I'd been quicker thinking. All that was necessary was something along the lines of "You know, its pretty cool that you're the type of girl whose open minded. I didn't really have you pegged as that." Not sure if my wording there is correct but I think I have the right idea.

    Night game

    Didn't really do anything, checked out 3 boring spots nearby. One had potential and we might go there in the future if we don't have a car or want to get drunk and not have to worry about rides but we'll see. No real set opportunities and it wasn't much of a younger crowd.

    Spending today on my uncle's boat and hitting a bayside bar or two, then Inception tonight with my aunt.

    Tomorrow we're taking the train to Miami to pick up two cars for my uncle so we'll get a chance to really do some damage up there as we'll be there overnight.
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