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    Friday night

    I had a good night friday night. Not necessarily results wise but i had a lot of fun and it was A LOT better than wednesday night. Like i said I focused on the fundamentals this time and it seemed to pay off.

    I started the night by hitting some bars. There's a square surrounded by bars/dance bars. The square is the size of a football field surrounded by bars, it's really nice. Most of these bars are really small and I had to bounce regularly to a new one, doing 1 or 2 sets each bar. I did 14 sets in total, i'm not going to go into everyone of those sets but just the ones that stood out and that i remember.

    The first 4 sets didn't go so good, though one funny thing i can remember is this set with a HB 9 in it. I open direct and transition but right after she said she has a bf and he's behind the dj boot. And she was being a bit cold. May be true, may not be true. I said: "Congratulations" and i just kept standing there and looked her in the eye, that's when she laughed and i was able to continue the convo a bit and let her introduce me to her friend. But the convo died a little bit after and said goodbye to them.

    The 5th set was a girl that didn't seem engaged in any convo and looked a bit bored, HB 8.5. I opened her and it hooked and we talked for a while but i didn't really receive any IOI's from her except for the fact that she didn't walk away and didn't seem to mind my kino. I decide to eject cause the set wasn't really going anywhere but i decide to try to number close anyway. I didn't expect her to be willing to give it to me but to my surprise she did. It's probably not a very solid number but we'll see. (I sent a msg saturday but no reply yet, as i expected).

    After that it started to go better, I think almost every set opened well after that. Shows again the importance of being warmed up. Since i was focusing on the fundamentals and didn't really keep any attraction material in mind the sets went stale eventually. I should have tried to number close more often though and try to stay in set as long as possible. I need to work on that and ofcourse on my attraction material.

    A funny set was a girl HB7 surrounded by 3 big guys. I decided to direct open her just for the sake and fun of it and see what happens. The guys ended up congratulating me for having the "guts" and for providing them with a good story to tell their friends. One of them took a picture of me, i hope it doesn't end up on the internet

    Another set with a HB8 in it opened well, i could see from her face that she was interested right away, but then from the corner of my eye i see this fat girl grabbing her hand, physically pulling her away from me, before i could even try to disarm her. This was like after 10 seconds or so . So i swung my arm around the HB's neck to keep her to me and the fat girl stopped pulling her arm like a maniac for a second... but then like a few seconds later when i thought the coast was clear she did it again but this time i was too late and she was gone. The HB 8 looked at me and had a "I'm sorry" apologetic look on her face. Damn those cockblocks.

    Then this really weird thing happened. I opened another set from behind she looked like a HB 8-9 but turned out she was a HB 7. Immediatley she says she has a boyfriend. I say something like "cool" and some other shit i don't remember. At that point i was already willing to eject but her body turned completely towards me, i mean with her back to her group right face to face with me. I was like WTF and i just stood there like an idiot. There was a very long silence (at least it seemed very long in my head) and then she says "I really like your necklace". Finally my "peacocking" is useful Anyway i talked a little bit about my necklace. Not much after i ejected!!!!! WHY??? Why did i eject? She was giving me huge IOI's!!!

    The rest of the sets opened well and i could stay in set for a while, but couldn't always hold the attention of the group/target. I defo could and should have gone for more # closes. Something i need to keep in mind for next time. Also seems like my opening game is fixed again by focusing on the fundamentals, now i need to work on my attraction while still keeping the opening fundamentals in my mind. And i need to try to escalate more by trying to isolate and/or going for the number more often. And also to stay in set as long as i can.

    Overall i'm satisfied with this night, looks like i'm back on the right track. I feel like i learned a lot tonight.


    For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.
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    It's been a while since i sarged again, too long actually. But tonight i'm going sarging again.
    There's no special party anywhere so i'll have to hit the bars. Hopefully they will be somewhat full, but since the students are back in town that's probably not a problem.

    Tonight i'm going to focus on attraction. Also i'm going to try to number close and/or kiss close every set. Another point i'll need to keep paying attention to is kino escalation. These are the points i'll try to focus on this week ,i'm going out to practise at least twice this week. And all this while also not forgetting the fundamentals. I focused on the fundamentals last time and after i warmed up almost all the sets opened well. I could have number closed a lot more, i actually number closed the one that went the worst. So i'm gonna try to push that to the limit now.

    During my daily day game approaches i upped the ante a bit again. I now open with a functional opener, transition, nothing new there, but then i actually try to continue the convo by asking what she's been up to today. I feel pretty comfortable doing that now, so it won't take long before i make it more challenging again. The goal in the end is to do proper day game and to go direct. I want to be at that level by summer, when the weather starts to get good, it can be a goldmine of HB's around here

    Tonights field report will follow!
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    Re: The first thing you say doesn't actually matter...

    Man I take my hat off to you for persistence. Definitely sounds like you're improving and getting better responses, and like the bootcamp helped. Keep it up! Sounds like it might work for you to go out with a wing or two sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sculpture View Post
    Man I take my hat off to you for persistence. Definitely sounds like you're improving and getting better responses, and like the bootcamp helped. Keep it up! Sounds like it might work for you to go out with a wing or two sometimes.
    Hey man, thx for the input. The bootcamp certainly helped, in night game my AA is very low now even for going direct. And it probably shows in my opener that i'm way more relaxed and thus getting better responses. Also going direct seems to work best for me for some reason. And i think the reason is because i don't actually care what their opinion is on stuff so i'm not congruent with it and it somehow shows. If you open a hot girl direct though you really mean it cause she's hot lol.

    I 100% agree with you that i could use a wing sometimes. But it's not easy to find one. In Belgium the pick up community is pretty small and it's very hard to find a wing who is as motivated as me and lives reasonably close to where i usually sarge. (I don't have a car yet so i'm a bit stuck to sarge in this city, i'm planning to buy one next year but i might just do it sooner )
    Also all my friends are AFC's (except for one maybe, he's a natural, but i don't know him that well) and they would be uncomfortable doing this stuff unless they're drunk but usually i'm drunk too then and that's not good for learning or becoming desensitized to approaching. Also i would have no idea how to explain this to them and if they're not supportive it can be a mayor demotivation if they know about it. So i'd rather not tell. I actually had a wing last year at some point. But he had tremendous AA and at some point he stopped being interested in pickup. I was afraid it would be a fling, i think it's like that for alot of people first starting with this. At first they are super motivated about it and eager to sarge. Then they lose interest. Same happened to me, that's why my join date is 2006 haha . But no more, i have pretty much everything in life figured out. And I will eventually figure this out too! I don't care if it takes me 10 years like mystery but i shall continue till the bitter end!!!
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    Tuesday night

    I haven't had the chance to go out and practise in a while but now i just came back from a night out alone. I didn't stay too long because i have work tomorrow. And things only start to get going here at around midnight. So i didn't do that many sets unfortunately. But this week i will be going out again at least once when i won't have that time constraint. And try to do as much as i can then. There wasn't any party going on today so i decided to hit the bars again. Seeing as it's a tuesday i expected things to be a little more slow and it was. But still ok.

    Right when i got out of my doorstep i see this girl walking about 25 metres ahead of me. Nothing special, very short. As i'm walking towards the centre of the city she stops and actually opens me. She turns around and asks me pretty much where the centre of the city is. I say that i'm going that way and that she can follow me. At this point i saw her face and it was alright, maybe all in all she'd be a 7. I was thinking to myself "great to warm up". We talked for the entire trip (this time keeping the convo going didn't seem to be a problem, while other times it's one of my biggest sticking points, but more on that later) It was about a 10 minute walk. We exchanged names etc etc... She wanted to know my last name for some reason. This might be one of the best sets of the night conversation wise . I didn't even do any effort to keep it going, it just flowed. It was pretty much all comfort with a few teases inbetween but not alot, and no kino. When our ways would part i thought about nr closing but i didn't. Probably because I wouldn't consider hooking up with her but i still should have done it cause i need to try and push more for the closes.

    First set i opened was a mixed 4set. I saw the girl first from behind, when i got to see her face she was barely a 7. Not that much to say about this one. The set opened and i managed to run some attraction and got a few laughs with it. But then one of the guys in the set swings her arm around her, which basicly locks me out. I should have disarmed them first and engaged them a bit. Why i didn't do it ,i have no idea. I decided to eject after that.

    Next set was a seated 3 set at the bar, HB 8, 7 and 6. It was very hard to lock in there. I opened direct and the girl felt a bit shy and speechless and she aplogised for it. I talk about some shit i don't remember but didn't do any attraction, my mind went blank in this one. The contrast is big between the girl who opened me on the street where the convo just flowed easily and this set where my mind went blank and there were long silences. I eject and starting to get a little bit annoyed with myself.

    Next set, was a mixed 3 set, 1 HB 8 and a HB 7, i first spotted the HB 7, the HB 8 was some sort of pillar so i couldn't really see her. So i went direct on the HB 7, the set opened well, and again i run some attraction and again i got some laughs from it. At this point i realise i was doing little to no kino so I tune it up a bit. At some point the HB 7 mentions they're gonna go home any minute now. I decide to go for the nr close cause i didn't want to be too late with it seeing as they were about to leave. Also i need to try and push this more and get it properly calibrated so i can feel when the moment is right. She declines it, don't remember what she said exactly but she said it in a very polite way. I stay a little longer in set to show i'm not affected by her declining. A little later i decide to eject anyway cause i was wasting my time there. The HB 8 doesn't want me to leave, instead of cockblocking me she wanted me to actually hook up with her friend this time, go figure (probably cause she was hotter). So i stay a little longer again but eventually eject.

    4th set was a girl with a guy, wasn't sure if they were involved. The girl seemed a bit bored and the guy was busy with his phone i think. I ask the girl if the guy is her bf and she says yes. I say she's very cute and he's lucky to have her and i eject. The guy had a WTF look on his face. This is starting to be very normal to me but some people really have this WTF look on their face HAHA. I have had some people tell me this is the first time something like this happened to them.

    5th set was a 2 set (HB 7's) They were part of a larger set but a little bit isolated from the entire set. It opened well, and I ran some attraction again got some laughs out of the girls and the convo even went pretty smooth imo. At one point the both decide to go to the toilet. Maybe it didn't go as smooth as it thought The target seemed to enjoy the convo though. I think the friend actually felt more uncomfortable and was girlcoding the target a bit to "talk" in the toilet. I take the seat of my target and engage the girl of the bigger part of the set. No problem there since i already had social proof talking to the other girls. This conversation went pretty well too. She asks me if i know the other girls who went to the toilet. I said: "yeah i do, i just met them". The girls stay away really long, way too long for just a piss. And i doubt they both happened to need to take a dump. When they finally come back my target joins the larger group, too far away from me to talk to her. Her friend joins my side of the group again. At this point the conversation fizzles out and i decide to eject.

    The last set was in a more high energy venue. The other places were pretty much cockfarms and this place was better in that aspect but still not that good. I order a beer and go to the back of the venue cause it's less loud there. I don't see any suitable sets to open. I should have just opened anyway but i wasn't really feeling it tonight. It was getting late anyway and i had work the next day so i grabbed my coat to head out. On my way out i spot this hot two set! At first i only saw the HB 8.5 and we made eye contact. But when i get closer i see her friend a HB 9! I open the HB 8.5 direct anyway cause we already made eye contact and it might be awkward if i'd open the HB 9 now. The set opens well and she seems to enjoy it. I throw my coat on the side and I talk to both of them a bit, the HB 9 engages the convo with me a few times. I kino both the 8.5 and the 9. But more on the 8.5. Then my mind goes blank again, i didn't run any attraction and i was thinking in myself: shit, shit, shit. I couldn't just stand there like an idiot so i decided to dance a bit and the girls followed me but i was feeling pretty uncomfortable at this point. Some moments later I decide to eject and i say: "i really have to go now, you saw i was heading out with my coat, but you should give me your number so we can meet again." She replies: "maybe we'll meet again anyway". I say that's very unlikely and I stare at her in disbelief for a few moments. She laughs. (in a good way, not the making fun of someone kind of way) I decide not to push any further and say "Alright, your loss, maybe we'll see eachother again" with a smile.

    Conclusion: I wasn't happy at all with last night when i came home, but now that i wrote up this field report i realise it's not THAT bad actually. All sets opened well. (except the one with the bf for obvious reasons) I might have expected too much of it. Current sticking points are that my mind goes blank sometimes and even if it doesn't i have troubles keeping a convo going for a longer period of time.

    In my daily daygame approach i now try to continue the conversation after the transition. My goal here is to be able to do proper day game without too much AA by summer. Which is excellent cause it's HB heaven here in summer during the day

    More to come later!
    For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.
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    This is the field report. I hoped it would be better than last time, but it wasn't, at least at first. Again i wasn't feeling it. I was wondering what the hell was wrong with me. I have a major AA relapse since my bootcamp. I guess it's even more pronounced now since i go direct all the time. Before the bootcamp i'd always use opinion openers which is easier to ease into i guess. I was seriously thinking about going home again without opening a single set. I realised that i was getting in a downwards spiral and the reason to go out today (besides obviously getting practise) was breaking the spiral.

    I don't know why i got into this spiral, i think it's a combination of three things.
    1) I got 2 pretty hard blow outs doing day game going direct. (which at the moment i didn't care that much about it, i wasn't devestated or anything, but still might have contributed to it)
    2) Last time I wanted to do nightgame some guy was looking for trouble with me (not when i was sarging, it was on the way to the venue) and that killed my state and i ended up opening no one. (last week friday)
    3) Cause of the 2nd point a bit: it's been a while since I did some serious night game practise.

    So i knew i wasn't going to let myself off the hook that easily this time. When i walked into the first venue i was thinking "fuck this is going to be hard, i don't remember it being so hard". I was never going to forgive myself this time if i didn't open so after a while i did. And something wonderful happened, right after i delivered my opener and saw her reaction all that anxiety was gone in a heartbeat. I mean the set didn't even open cause her boyfriend was with her but the smile on her face and her friendliness was great and got me into my previous vibe again.

    It took me exactly one set to get over my AA again. Big lesson learned now: no matter how bad you're feeling, no matter what bullshit your mind is feeding you, just open sets. JUST DO IT. I mean intellectually i already knew this, but experiencing it like this is so much more powerful.

    Also i feel like this is different from normal AA. You don't get over normal AA by just doing one set. And i wasn't nervous at all opening the set. But i just (at first) couldn't take action and came up with reasons not to approach. I remember doing my first cold approach and i was nervous as hell. This was different. It's more like a laziness than an anxiety. I don't know why it's like that but i'm kind of interested behind the psychology of this.

    Second set opened very good, reminded me of one set at the bootcamp where the girl immediatley turned to me and touched me, there was immediate chemistry. But i fucked up majorly. She had a really strange name and i just couldn't understand it, she repeated 4 times i think and after that i still didn't understand but i said something like "ooh i didn't understand, it's not a very common name" but it was already too late, i tried to plow further but she kinda turned her back on me afterwards. At that point I really had to laugh, how could i have fucked this up haha . When i walked away from that set i suddenly knew what her name could me. It's in dutch but translated to english it sounds like "Not" so i thought she was rejecting me from the opener, which made me very confused cause her body langauge was so open. Oh well

    Anyway, i didn't do many sets because i left the house pretty late, because of the AA.
    I did 5 sets, apart from the one with the bf they all opened well. Alot better than in my daygame (though i only did 3 direct day game approaches so far).

    Another set was a 2 set with my target being an HB8, opened well. I could and should have locked in there but i hesitated and didn't. It wasn't going bad but eventually i lost the set cause of not locking in. Some guy started like dancing behind her so he grinds his crotch into her butt a bit, you know what i mean right. Not a bf or anything just a cockblock orbiter probably who is slightly alpha. I made a comment along the lines of "My god, don't look behind you!" She laughed and said "yeah". After that i ejected from the set.

    Another thing i learned, although the AA was A LOT less after the first set, there were sometimes moments i didn't feel comfortable in set, and it probably showed. I remember on the bootcamp the second day after doing a lot of sets i just didn't give a shit anymore and this attitude is great cause the sets flew open and i didn't feel uncomfortable anymore.

    This is the second lesson i learned, if i go out i have to make it worth while and at least open 15 sets. If it's on a working day i have to leave the house on time. The first set is maybe to get over your initial AA. The next four sets are to get more in state. And only after that you can start to think about carrying the sets further. At least that's the case with me. Also, you're bound to fuck sets up (like today with the name i couldn't hear) so if you do more you'll also get more sets you don't majorly fuck up and where you can progress further in and learn more.

    I'm sure that two weeks ago i would have considered this night a total failure but i'm glad i found my spirit back again. Now i just got to remember my own advice.

    1) No matter how you're feeling, don't believe your mind and open a couple of sets
    2) In order to truly learn and get the most out of each night do at least 15 sets (if one set goes particularly well and i k-close or more that's a valid excuse to do less )
    3) practise regularly: at the minimum once per week

    It's really astonishing how the mind can fuck us over like this. I feel like i'm ranting now but today i experienced how quickly it can swing, it's amazing how much BULLSHIT your mind will feed you. Even if you intellectually know it isn't true.

    I came into contact with a guy from the forums here and we're meeting up this saturday to sarge. So i won't have to go out alone everytime anymore. I am meeting the guys from the lair next week. Doing this alone is great for developing my inner self but going out with wings once in a while will keep it fun and varied for me, and i might learn a thing or two.

    Retoke out!
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    Saturday night

    I met up with a guy from these forums to go and sarge yesterday. He's new to this and still reading magic bullets so i gave him some pointers. The night overall was pretty fun, it's great to not be sarging alone for a change.

    We took turns to approach and wing if necessary. We both did around 6 sets. It was swarming with people from out of the country. Out of the 6 sets i opened two were from the Netherlands and at least two others were from somewhere in eastern Europe. I think all sets opened well except for one, which turned out to be a very average girl anyway.

    At the start of the night some girl HB 8 actually opened me, they were dancing the macarena and said we should join. I don't know how to do the macarena so I made some lame ass excuse. Should have done something with the situation but not sure what

    My wing had some trouble with AA which is very normal so most of the night i was trying to push him into sets. This was limiting my approach count but i figure a valuable wing is more worth then a temporary setback in number of sets i opened. There was this one set that went really well. He asked me to open it and then he came in. She was into it, starting conversation up again if there was a silence etc. I didn't bother to go for the nr close cause she was from the other side of the country and only temporarily there.

    My wing opened good too. He's a really talkative guy and his mind doesn't seem to go blank in set, he's more creative in the moment, unlike me, that's very valuable imo . I noticed he manages to stay in set for quite some time so i suggested him to go for the nr-close if he finally decides to eject. I think he collected two numbers after that.

    I think the last set my wing did was a 2 set HB 7.5 and HB 6. It seemed to go pretty good, so after a while i come in to wing. I try to engage the HB 6 but she's just cold which is weird cause i already had social proof with my wing. She didn't seem to interfere with the convo between my wing and the HB 8 though so i didn't put any more energy in trying to keep the convo going between me and the HB 6. Eventually he nr closed her and we took off. I suggested him to send her a msg right away and to use some callback humour. (Wing stayed over at my place and she texted him back this morning)

    My most memorable set was a smoking hot HB 9.5. She was also from the Netherlands, which i correctly cold-readed, not very hard though lol . It opened well but i forgot to engage her friends which was a crucial mistake. I also used "beautiful eyes, can i touch them?" after that it seemed to die a bit. I have had mixed results with this line but it's not really working for me so i won't use that anymore.

    A funny set was a black HB 8. There was a guy next to her but i didn't think they were involved so i just opened direct without asking. Turned out she was married to the guy LOL. But he was friendly about it and i said that he's a lucky man and ejected.

    So overall for me, not great, not bad, i seem to have my AA under control again. Momentarily i'm experimenting a bit with attraction material to see what works for me and what not. I think my wing did really great. And it was pretty fun, I'm looking forward for another night out with him
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    Friday 14-05-2010

    I met up with guys from the lair, my wing who i went out with earlier was there also. After 3 hours or so of getting to know the people there and talking we left to do some sarging of ourselves. The night started slow, we were out to sarge at 11pm and things only start get going around midnight 0:30 am. At some point we were at a party but it was a young public, highschool girls mostly. My previous experience wasn't good with them, and again, the direct opener didn't seem to work. So i let my wing do most of the approaching there (he's a bit younger than me).

    We then went to another venue, it was kind of a dance bar, and it was packed! (too packed to be good imo, very loud music too) My first approach there was a blonde girl but she was only like a 6 when i came close. So direct didn't work and i didn't really mind, i ejected early. But now comes the funny part. A bit later i approach a brunnete HB 8 with my usual direct opener. She said: "you already said that before!" I was like: "really? when was that?" She said: "a few minutes ago" I was like "Huh?" And then i saw her friend the blonde girl HB 6 who i opened earlier emerging from behind her. HAHA OH SHIT . I then said "oh yes indeed, but it was to her, not to you!" She stared at me in disbelief. At this point i felt a bit bad for the girls and i said "look i'm sorry, have a good night" and ejected. I was smiling though cause it was such a silly situation

    There was a mixed set that opened good, but the guy in the group started to cockblock, the girl was into it though. He said he was her fiancee, but he looked gay and a bit of a douchebag to be honest so i told the girl that i didn't believe it. But she kept saying it's true. At one point i said: "alright let's cut the bullshit, is it really true?" and she said yes so then i ejected. I pretty much ignored the guy meanwhile when he told me to leave but after that i left on my own terms. This maybe sounds really ballsy but it's not, the guy looked like a gay pansy (not the muscular type). Now that i think of it, he probably wouldn't have had the guts to tell me to leave if it wasn't actually his fiancee so it's probably true.

    I don't remember all the sets anymore, it's starting to become a blur, unlike in the beginning when they were all still crystal clear. I do remember probably the best set of the night. It was a cute HB 8.5, my wing spotted her but didn't want to approach because she was surrounded by men. So i said i'd do it (also to show him that it's OK to open mixed sets). It opened really well. At one point i point to the group of guys and say something like "so these are your friends?" She said: "No but they think they are". I laughed but don't remember what i replied to that. She pointed to another girl nearby (who looked very familiar to me, definately seen her before) and said she was a good friend. I was kino'ing good, touching her back, her arm, etc social touching. At one point we started talking about what we do in life and turns out she's an air hostess. Needless to say that caught my interest, then we started talking about travelling etc and countries we want to visit and we have been to. At this point i know i have to escalate and move things forward but i'm having a hard time doing it. I had her mini isolated from the group, maybe i should have tried to move her further away, going to the bar to take a drink or something, and there amping up the kino. But i didn't do it. This is defo one of my current sticking points when things go good (which they do with increasing frequency lately). So instead of that i went for the nr close. Although i had a good amount of qualification and maybe a little comfort it wasn't enough. She hesitated for a bit but then said she doesn't like giving out her number. I said I had to go so how will i ever see you again then? She said: "just come to this bar again".
    I'm not sure if it was this set or another one, but i think it was her. She spontaneously gave me a high 5 at a certain point. I was thinking: "hey, that's my move!!" cause i did it in the set with the fiancee. Needless to say it surprised me in a positive way. This set had much more potential. I need to learn to escalate, blow me or blow me out. I need to work on that.

    Apart from that there were a few sets that didn't open (had a bf or pretended to have one) but that's normal and is part of the high risk/reward of a direct opener. At least i won't be wasting my time on them There was another 2 set my wing opened and it hooked for him so i winged him and kept this blonde girl occupied, she wasn't bad looking but she was 38, she was still pretty goodlooking for her age. I had a nice conversation with her. She said it's incredible how many times guys hit on her tonight and i said: "yeah i totally know what you mean, you like it because it makes you feel good but at the same time it's annoying and you have to brush them off at some point" At some point a guy actually appraoches her and talks a bit. I looked at her and said "this is nr 101?" She said: "yeah but you're still winning" I said something along the lines of "oh great, i'm nr 100, i'm honoured!" blablabla just some banter and teasing. Though she didn't look bad for her age, i wasn't interested in closing her but it was an interesting interaction anyway My wing was still talking to the other girl and i told him to either escalate or go for the nr-close cause i could tell the set wasn't going anywhere anymore. In the end my wing didn't get the nr-close which surprised me a bit considering how easily some girls give their number and the lenght of the conversation.

    Overall i had a really good time. My wing had a good time too, it was a good night and we had great fun.
    For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.
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    Thursday 20-05-2010

    I met up with my wing again to sarge in his city this time. We got out of the house at around 11pm. I wasn't really feeling it initially (surprise surprise!). After my first approach it was better already. I then feel some sort of buzz going through me, a mix of adrenaline and satisfaction. A familiar feeling by now. It took me about 3 sets to get me in good state.

    I did 9 sets, I think around 4 of them hooked. The point of today was escalating to see how far i could get, which i didn't do enough before. I should not be afraid to lose the set. Take risks! In terms of that i did good, but could have done better but more about that later. I'm not gonna go into every set. I didn't use many routines apart from my direct opener and follow up. Oh yes, and the fingerlenght routine, works every time . The first 3 or so were warm up. Then there was a set with a HB 8.5 It didn't go bad but the music at that spot was particularly loud and i lost the set after a while.

    Most of the sets we did were at a club. I should come there more often btw there were alot of HB 9's yummy. There's this one set at a party with more alternative music and people. I opened a blonde HB 8 but that didn't really hook so i started to talk to her friend. A cute girl with a southern appearance (she was originally from idonesia) and there the convo flowed naturally. This was at the end of the evening and i didn't really care anymore or have enough energy to really escalate. I should have done it though just for the sake of it and making it a habit. Anyway i end up trying to get her number but she said she doesn't have a cellphone, considering she's an alternative type and the fact that no-one will come up with a lame excuse like that, i believe her.

    Anyway the best set of the night hands down was at the club, a blonde HB 9 (i have a picture but won't post it here, the pics are in my journal in the lounge for you bootcamp graduates). I went direct, she was very receptive, immediatly some kino. Some bullshit, she laughed alot. I made her friend take a picture of us two. Since i need to escalate when sets go good and so i did. I said "hey i'm gonna grab a beer at the bar over there, come with me" and i took her hand and led her there. The guys standing nearby look at me in disbelief haha When i order my beer the bartender is hitting on her. There we talk some more i try to escalate the kino but i'm not sure how to go beyond the social touching.

    Actually when i think about it now i do know it. Look her in the eyes without saying something, then whisper something sexy in her ear, take her hand, decrease personal space between each other. Start stroking her hair, when you come close to say something to her say how nice she smells.. etc etc.. I didn't sexualize enough. So i didn't do any of those things when we were isolated. I know this stuff, it just doesn't come out at the right times yet.

    Anyway, at one point i grab her hips and say "come let's dance". That's were she resisted, so i released and said, "oh no, don't tell me you can't dance". She says she can't, she's very bad at it. I talk to her some more and nr close.

    It was a good eve, I had some fun, next time same concept but i'll try to escalate even more and keep the things in mind i said about the sexualization.

    On a sidenote: on wednesday there was a party i went to with friends. There's this girl in my social circle where i have been building some attraction with. Don't know if i already mentioned her in my journal here. I also have a thread about it in the main discussion "social circle game". So i managed to escalate a bit with her. I did the same old things and made her laugh etc etc, she and i were having a good time. Her and my friends were there in the group too. At one point some guy spills a little bit of beer on her arm. Now i did something really freaky if i think about it now. It just came to me and i just acted without thinking, i grabbed her arm and i licked it, like really bad ass lick. Luckily she liked it. A bit later it was my turn to get the next round of beers. So i say to the group, i can't carry them all alone someone has to come with me. Then i say to the girl: "ok you come with me, and i grab her hand and lead her to the bar"

    I'm pretty sure i could have kiss closed her, at one point she was even sort of expecting it i think but it wasn't my intention to kiss her, i just came close to say something in her ear. I also came to know that one of her guy friends who was also there has some sort of a crush on her and she knows it. So that doesn't simplify things. When she left to go home she said "cya, i'll text you". Next day i texted her at around noon asking if she's up already and saying that i had a great time the night before". She didn't reply at all. She did mention me and a couple of the other friends in her facebook status thanking us for a great night. (pic is available in the lounge again). I feel kind of good that i don't really care that she's not replying, my inner game is getting better. If this situation would have happened let's say half a year ago i would be frustrated as hell and wondering what's the deal all the time. Now i don't really care that much, of course it would have been nicer if she did, but now that she didn't, it's just as well.
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    This is just a heads up again, tonight i'm gonna sarge solo again. I like to make these heads up posts so that i'm kind of obliged to go through with it. My wing, who i've gone out with 3 times now, has to work tomorrow and can't make it today. He's really a good wing actually, last time he was pushing me more into sets than i was pushing him, unlike the first time That's very good. I don't care if your game is shit, you just have to be motivated and actually open. Not that his game is shit (well maybe it is but so is mine ), he's maybe slightly worse than i am, but he has the ability to just keep on talking and talking and talking which is very useful. I often have to say to him to escalate and/or nr close cause after a while the set is stagnating and it's not really going anywhere anymore.

    I also came into contact with someone from my city via the Belgian lair. I haven't got his details yet so i can't contact him to sarge tonight but i'm looking forward to it for later. I should be able to get a few reliable wings over time.

    Anyway the goal of tonight is the same as last time. If a set goes good and i reach the hook point i'm going to try to escalate until i either get a k-close or get blown out. If i have her isolated i should sexualize the convo and "phase-shift" a bit, basicly following my advice from previous post. Last time i was able to isolate a HB 9, which was surprisingly easy actually. Once isolated i escalated a bit too fast, it went from social touching to holding her hips trying to pull her into me. Not that i got blown out but i felt resistance and i had no idea how to proceed so i nr closed and ejected. I should first sexualize the conversation and then hold her hand or something, stroke her hair, touch her face maybe, slowly building it up. Gonna try to keep that in mind for tonight.

    Field report is on the way!
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