http://www.theattractionforums.com/ en Thu, 17 May 2012 11:24:12 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.theattractionforums.com/images/misc/rss.png http://www.theattractionforums.com/ http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154956-fader-bootcamp-houston-may-2012-a.html Mon, 14 May 2012 20:46:44 GMT I'll be completely honest with everyone who reads this review of Fader. I'll give you a personal experience to really sum up how he affected me. I went in with total wrong beliefs. I mean I didn't know that these limiting beliefs were screwing with my life. And guess what, they screwed with my first in-field day. Fader taught us inner game first and trust me that is the MOST IMPORTANT LESSON he will teach. Fader's bootcamp is not about picking up girls only. Its a small aspect of it. Its about changing your life and becoming the best person that God made you to be. That is why even though my first day went horribly, I still came out of the the seminar as the best person I can be. I mean i got blown out 5 times the first night and I was devastated. I basically wanted to quit and give up Saturday and Sunday. However, please stick with it because Fader knows what he is doing. He has done it for five years and nothing is as hard as what he went through. He is an instructor who will be completely honest with, no bs. He will tell you what you need to hear instead of what you want to hear. And that is life. You need someone to tell you that you are sucking in life sometimes. That is how a change happens and you become awesome.
Guess what? I became awesome. The guy who wanted to quit and got blown out five times: got one number, two kisses on the cheek from a cougar and and cute white girl(never succeed with whites ever), got called sexy, cute, and things i never imagined before. However, the best reward I got that night is if a girl rejected me I just said what Jay Z says " Onto the next one". Stop putting hot girls on pedal stools. To do that, you start visualizing yourself on the pedal stool because now you are the catch. I don't know what else I can say. I already see every aspect of my life and not just picking up girls changing. Give yourself a life changing gift. GO TO FADER'S BOOTCAMPS. p.s. Don't doubt the guy. you will only make a fool out of yourself. ]]> Love Systems Reviews dkwade37 http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154956-fader-bootcamp-houston-may-2012-a.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154954-cajun-1-1-windsor-ontario-may-2012-a.html Mon, 14 May 2012 20:19:33 GMT This is my review for my three day 1 on 1 with Cajun. I took a bootcamp with him and Tenmagnet back in November 2011 and I scheduled this 1 on 1... This is my review for my three day 1 on 1 with Cajun. I took a bootcamp with him and Tenmagnet back in November 2011 and I scheduled this 1 on 1 with Cajun to brush up on the things I learned.

Day 1:
Daytime:
Cajun and I met at the mall to start off. Didn't really need to go too in-depth because I'd taken his bootcamp before and I knew the basics. We went over the sticking points I've had since I last saw him, namely body language and trying to minimize showing my emotions too apparently on my face. After talking for a bit we split up and made plans to meet later on in the night.

Night time:
Cajun and I met up at his hotel and from there went to this western themed place. I started off the night by indirectly opening a table of cougars. Cajun came in about two minutes later and I found myself mesmerized by how easily he captured the attention of everyone at the table. I did a few more sets, most of which were pretty good, a couple of which I failed to generate interest. The best set of the night was when I finally discovered the approach type that worked most consistently for me: direct. I opened a two set direct, which went amazingly well right off the bat. However, I messed it up towards the end when I mistook my target's hesitation for disinterest rather than shyness and the fact she was so taken aback with how bold my approach had been. I made the mistake of chatting up her friend more, and she ended up pulling her away. All in all, solid night, but room for improvement.

Cajun quote of the night: When you approached that girl and told her she was gorgeous, her jaw dropped to the floor.

Day 2:
Daytime:
Cajun and I met up at a small bar/restaurant near his hotel to go over the previous night. He said I needed to work on not getting in my head so much and to relax and not worry about whether a set would go well or not. Voice elevation was also something to work on, as some of the girls I approached had a hard time hearing me. Once again, we broke and made plans to meet up.

Night time:
We met up at the same place we had lunch at and I indirectly opened one set which didn't go well. At that point, we went to a night club that's one of the more popular venues in the city. As it turns out, I had a bunch of friends and family there for a separate occasion which I think helped to relax me a great deal. The first set Cajun sent me into constituted two blondes who were two of the most attractive women I have ever see in real life. I was nervous beyond belief but I direct opened the hotter of the two and she instantly gave me her full attention and from then on it was easy. The best part of it was that Cajun was watching it all as well as a friend of mine that could be described as a "natural" and even he was impressed with what he saw. From that point on, I was riding a high like I've never experienced before. Even the sets that didn't pan out went well in terms of me being able to keep the conversation going and not getting flustered or nervous. Opening direct is definitely the approach type for me, as Cajun described me as "a guy who's not a good bullshitter, you're genuine and honest and opening direct is perfect for you because when you tell a girl she's gorgeous and you really want to get to know her, she believes it, because YOU believe it." Hands down, the best night I have ever had at a night club.

Cajun quote of the night: When you opened those two blondes, it's like you shifted into game mode. Everything you did, everything you said was right on. You just need to channel that personality all the time because the potential is there and you're so close.

Day 3:
Cajun and I met up at night time for dinner and pretty much walked around, looking for places that had a decent amount of people. It was a Sunday, so not much was happening. We did go to a karaoke bar where Cajun sang "Mother" by Danzig which I thought was really cool. We checked out the casino and ended up at a strip club where Cajun gave me a crash course in stripper game. After that, he basically summed up everything I needed to work on, and gave me advice on how to get there. He told me to keep him posted on everything, how I'm doing, the progress I'm making and if I need help or advice on anything.

Hands down, my weekend with Cajun is the most fun I have ever had going downtown. If nothing else, the set with those two blondes validated the entire weekend and showed me that not only is it possible to get really good, it's likely, as long as I keep putting the work in. I would recommend Cajun to anyone who's looking for help with a more personalized approach tailored specifically for them. A weekend with this guy was worth every penny for me and I have no doubt that he can do for anyone else what he did for me. ]]> Love Systems Reviews MorriPage http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154954-cajun-1-1-windsor-ontario-may-2012-a.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154757-bootcamps-do-not-deliver.html Wed, 09 May 2012 02:42:32 GMT Hey guys. Is it just me who goes home, no chicks, rejected by everyone, smashed out my face. And in a headlock by the dick-head bouncer. This is 2... Hey guys. Is it just me who goes home, no chicks, rejected by everyone, smashed out my face. And in a headlock by the dick-head bouncer. This is 2 years after the bootcamp. The bootcamps promise but they don't deliver. The only way to get good is to consistently go out. There is no way you can become good in just one weekend. Post if you agree. Although if too many agree they'll take this tread off! It doesn't work for me but at £1800 i should see some improvement and not still be a virgin. I could have hired a lot of hookers for that price. ]]> Love Systems Reviews Slanez http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154757-bootcamps-do-not-deliver.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154707-nick-hoss-day-game-workshop-las-vegas-april-2012-w-pounders.html Mon, 07 May 2012 21:01:59 GMT This is a review for Nick Hoss's Las Vegas day game seminar, and wow, what an experience! There were 5 students but 2 students were taking the seminar portion only so we only had 3 students for the infield. We had 2 instructors total so we all got to spend a lot of time with the instructors, which I really appreciated.
I will breakdown my review into: what we covered in each day, review of the instructors, things that can be improved, and the ways to get most out of this workshop.

Day 1
Today we went over the inner game, how brain work, triad model, opening and transitioning. Having read magic bullets, day time dating, Nick Hoss's blog posts, and listening to the interview series on the inner game, Day 1 was mostly review for me. That said, it was still nice to go over the fundamentals and I highly recommend you all to read all the products I mentioned. I really liked the trigger words exercise at the end which was something that can be improved by practicing it over and over

Day 2 Infield
Today was the first infield day. I was really excited to finally do approaches with the instructors, but nervous as well. Another instructor Pounders joined us for our infield.
However, there's something about being with the instructors. Pounders pointed to a girl walking past and my feet already started moving to her. I wanted to do my best in front of the instructors so there was no time for the approach anxiety. I guess i opened her fairly well, because she talked with me for the next few minutes. After the initial approach, I started doing all my approaches without the instructors telling me to do so. I had a pretty crazy day considering that it was my first day of approaching. I opened a 60 years old grandma by accident (she was smoking hot from behind though!), I opened a girl and her mom showed up out of nowhere (I freaked out for a bit), and got a number for the first time doing cold approaches. We were all surprised that no one had issues with approach anxiety, considering that we were all beginners. I was very tired at the end of the day but it was all worth it.


Day 2 Seminar
Day 2 of the seminar involved attraction, qualification, and comfort. I think today was the most important part of the workshop because no one had trouble approaching and transitioning, but attraction and qualification needed some work.
All the advice that Nick gave to us were money. They are not something that you can read from the book and understand. Nick broke down attraction, qualification, and comfort into pieces and explained why things work and why they don’t. We spent about 45 minutes on storytelling exercises which I thought it was the most invaluable lesson that Nick taught us. If you have a problem regarding storytelling, CONSULT WITH NICK! He heard stories from each of us and was able to change our stories into more interesting and attractive stories without any hesitation. I was so impressed by his storytelling skills that I will definitely do a follow up phone consult with him just regarding the storytelling. He was so amazing at storytelling.

Day 3 Infield

I was actually more nervous than the previous day because I felt pressured to do better than yesterday. Nick told me that it’s normal and don’t worry about it. Day 2 of the infield was not as good as the day 1 because a lot of girls were with their boyfriends. After walking around for so long without doing any approaches, I decided to approach 4’s 5’s and 6’s as well just for the sake of the experience. The most unforgettable approach I did was a 2 set. I did not have any problem approaching a girl walking herself, but I felt so nervous when I saw girls in groups. Nick pointed out to a 2 set who were walking past, and I felt so nervous but I said fuck it and went for it. It turned out, this happened to be my best approach I have ever done. Not because I did a perfect pick up or anything, but she was so flattered and surprised to be called as gorgeous and she gave me a hug. At this point I have done probably around 20 approaches and I have never seen a girl seemed that happy. Her genuine smile and happiness just made my day and I kind of backed out when she said she is leaving Vegas the day after but I should have asked for her number regardless.

Day 3 seminar
I was soooooo tired at the last day. I tried so hard to pay attention to Nick but I kept losing focus. Today’s seminar involved dates, phone/text game, sexualization, and a little bit of social circle mastery. To understand better, Nick read us his old journal and his text messages to show the real life examples of how to apply all the concepts.
After the seminar, we all headed to a restaurant and got something to eat.


Instructor Reviews
I have to say that Nick is an amazing teacher. We bombarded him with so many questions and he had answers for all of them. Nick's voice was very clear and loud, he never rushed on any topics, and he showed confident body language the whole time.

Pounders was another instructor for infield and he was a great help. He was always encouraging about what we did right, and he was also able to point out what could we have done better. He is a master of indirect approaches and he was able to talk to anyone in a very interesting way.


Thing that can be improved
I think the instructors could have pushed us into more sets. Maybe they were not pushing us as much because we were doing approaches on our own, but I could have done several more approaches if I was pushed. I let past so many girls because sometimes I kinda felt lazy, and sometimes I was nervous, especially with 2 sets. Instead of suggesting that there is a girl there, it would have been better if they said there is a girl there, so go get her right now.

I think it would have been better if Nick covered the storytelling portion on both day 1 and 2, instead of just day 2. I think Nick should require all the students to read the day time dating (at least the opening and transitioning part) so he can cut the day 1 of the seminar a bit and go over more on storytelling.

Ways to get most out of this workshop
- Read daytime dating, magic bullets, Nick Hoss’s blog, and listen to the interview series on the inner game and conversation techniques.
- Do some approaches on your own if you can, but if your approach anxiety is too high, at least try to fix your body language before the workshop. Always be conscious about your body language so that it becomes a habit.
- When you are talking to your friends or whatnot, try making lots of statements. Making statements is crucial in daygame!

Conclusion
I highly recommend Nick’s workshop so definitely go for it! Even if you don’t have time and money, you should still do it! I am a full-time college student, but I was able to finance myself by working part time, living in a cheaper apartment, eating less (lol), eating cheaper food (lots of cereal!!) and not eating out as much (I tried to cook most of my meals)
I was really sad to say good bye to everyone at the end, but we will be meeting at the Superconference, so hurray for reunion!
Lastly, shout out to all the students. You guys were all so awesome and I can’t wait to see all of us killing it in field! ]]> Love Systems Reviews Pain1 http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154707-nick-hoss-day-game-workshop-las-vegas-april-2012-w-pounders.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154688-fader-bootcamp-milwaukee-april-2012-a.html Mon, 07 May 2012 01:41:11 GMT Saying Fader is a tour de force is an understatement. He is not only one of the most genuine, fun, and passionate individuals Ive had the pleasure to... Saying Fader is a tour de force is an understatement. He is not only one of the most genuine, fun, and passionate individuals Ive had the pleasure to spend time with, but a monument to the quality of life a human being is capable of creating. I have had some amazing times in my short 23 years, skydiving, visiting London, and so forth, but the past 3 days with Fader and the 3 other students may possibly be the most extraordinary weekend of my life yet. It was unbelievably enjoyable, unforgettable, and most importantly: pivotal. Fader is such a show. Nay - a show stopper. Talking with my buddy post-bootcamp I couldn’t restrain myself from comparing him to a female emotion savant. I told him it was like watching a master composer playing a symphony on the piano of their desires. His game appears so effortless he appears to be a muse, channeling the combined mastered arts of social skills & seduction.

However, no matter the instructor's mastery of his own game is, its useless unless he can teach it and infuse his students with the results oriented principles he used. Fader doesn’t disappoint. No sooner had I taken a seat for the 1st seminar portion than it became refreshingly clear how capable a teacher I was in the hands of. 15-plus hours of note-taking aka fiery truth injection :) ranging in depth across a massive spectrum of topics from identity to hoop theory to mindsets, plus a hybrid cornacupia of success/results-oriented bonus content he had amassed from personal achievements. Another aspect: every bullet point line we wrote down are each a summary kernel of compressed, tested awesomeness that can be extrapolated & integrated into your life approach. Fader compared the seminar information to a buffet to pick over and choose the bits that we liked best, then integrate those things one by one. I also compared it to a full spectrum of colors to pick from with which to saturate yourself until you have comfortably aligned into the masterpiece you want to be.

The seminar hours were spread out over the 3 days, the last 2 periods including debriefs of the previous nights infields. (Ill get to those in a minute, patience :) Fader answered all of our questions satisfactorily, we engaged in a handful of insightful exercises for a few sections, Qualification, etc. Throw in a few useful group discussions, plus a number of laughs. Now for the...

Infields: this is what I came for, and I tell you what-I got my moneys worth. We ended up splitting our time between a heavily populated, well-laid out venue and a strip club across the street. Fader focused his time initially on gaming an (ultra-busy) attractive hired gun to kick things off, letting us students observe our first taste of the legendary magic. While she kept returning repeatedly for the remainder of the night, He got us approaching set after set that night. I # closed 3 sets and pulled a few more, including a 4 set that I brought over to our group, Fader promptly cold-read and gamed 1 a little, impressing the hell outa her, & her friend started getting Faders attention, literally all over him, before her friend cockblocked her by physically pulling her away from Fader. She left saying her friend was her ride otherwise she would have stayed. Impressive results for less than 90 seconds of loud bar interaction. The other students seemed to be enjoying their night as much as I was. Each time one of us returned from a set, Fader would diagnose and offer corrective instruction, then return us to another cold approach.
Night 2 included a strip club, and it was fascinating watching him effortlessly frame control, push/pull, & qualify these strippers out of "work mode" into attention seeking/younger sister/submissive schoolgirl mode. Wow. Fader #closed a redheaded babe after about 15 minutes. I ended up getting food poisoning from a sandwich :P and returning to the hotel early. Fader generously offered me the 2 infield hrs I missed next time we ran into each other, free of charge. One in a series of examples of the dedication he has towards his students success. :D

In closing, I will say explain that I am a pretty successful guy in regular life. However the last 2 or 3 years Ive been in ultra-workaholic mode, which eroded my once excellent social skills and especially my confidence with women. 3 yrs ago I had a rotation of upto 6 girls in my life at certain points. Since then they’ve disappeared from life as work consumed my time. I became increasingly miserable. Recently I reassessed my life because of how unhappy I was all the time, and have been in a process of reinvention, which mainly consists of spending increasingly more time on stuff I think is fucking awesome. I think it’s the quickest, least known secret to happiness. To do and be the most fucking awesome person you imagine. I picked Fader initially cuz his slogan was Captain of Team Awesome. Made me curious. I was rewarded beyond my imagination. Im never going back to the mixture of tolerating bs or I no longer feel the need to hangout with people that suck. (direct theft of Faders words :) His story and choices are testament to the extraordinary torque of motivation and desire have against the odds. I cannot recommend Fader enough if you want to get a Hulk-like grip on your dating skills and overall enjoyment of life.

Fader, I can only say cheers, thankyou, and encore!
Play2Win


-Poseidon :D ]]> Love Systems Reviews Effervesce http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154688-fader-bootcamp-milwaukee-april-2012-a.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154649-nick-hoss-phone-consultation-may-2nd-2012-a.html Sat, 05 May 2012 19:24:46 GMT I had an awesome phone consultation with Nick Hoss on Wednesday. First of all before I dive into the nitty gritty of the call let me say that... I had an awesome phone consultation with Nick Hoss on Wednesday.

First of all before I dive into the nitty gritty of the call let me say that talking to Nick is like talking to your big brother. He has this awesome ability to make you feel at ease so you can ask your questions in an informal and open way that you would ask a big brother for advice.

No matter what your question and how simple it is, Nick would not judge you even if your questions are basic.

I have attended a few day game workshops and even helped out on a couple but I found that I was experiencing some conversational sticking points.

Nick had me email him my questions before so he could discuss them when I called. One of the questions I had was I really wanted to hear how an interaction goes from beginning to end. Nick role played (I was the girl) and it was amazing how easily and free flowing he conversed, never boring the conversation, yet showing his value and qualifying.

What struck me most is how easily he was able to move from topic to topic. My prior style was a bit intense but he showed me how to keep it light and fun and at the same time talking about things that showcases your value, leaving some of the more intense stuff for dates.

He also gave me tips on story telling and told me a story about NYC that was simply amazing. Using what he told me I can now craft my own stories in a more emotional way.

Nick was also generous in that he went over the allotted time.

I really like his style and I think even guys who are advanced could learn a ton from him.

Most importantly , Nick is a really cool and great guy. I had the pleasure of meeting him twice in NYC but this was the first time I did any work with him. He does feel like your best buddy and big brother rolled into one!

Thanks Nick,

SB ]]> Love Systems Reviews Stormboy http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154649-nick-hoss-phone-consultation-may-2nd-2012-a.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154598-starlight-phone-consultation.html Thu, 03 May 2012 23:18:57 GMT Wanted to tell you guys about a great phone consult with Starlight on lifestyle design. http://www.theprojectrockstar.com/lifestyle-entrepreneurship/... Wanted to tell you guys about a great phone consult with Starlight on lifestyle design. http://www.theprojectrockstar.com/li...repreneurship/

This was less of a game consultation and more of a ‘help me get my professional life sorted’ type consultation.

I had read that he was a guy who travels, learns languages and makes a living through his laptop...everything I want my life to be about. I knew I had to speak to him to find out if I could do the same.

He’s a down-to-earth, easy to speak to guy who clearly has a passion for helping other people.

He certainly helped me reach a certain epiphany about my work situation and some conflicting feelings I have been wrestling with for a long time. That alone was worth the phone consult.

I have had a lot of limiting beliefs about business and entrepreneurship but speaking to Starlight has helped me to begin to get over that and feel enthusiastic about what I can achieve in the future.

Lovesystems is lucky to have Starlight on the team offering this kind of service. He is a man who has learnt to make money online through building different websites and could go on doing so indefinitely. Luckily for all of us, he’s decided he wants to teach other people to do the same.

I feel the consultation will help my professional life, my financial situation and I know that will have positive side effects on my game too.

Cannot recommend highly enough. ]]> Love Systems Reviews Toro Negro http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154598-starlight-phone-consultation.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154353-future-day-game-workshop-w-lefty-nyc-april-2012-a.html Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:45:34 GMT I knew I wanted to take a Day Game workshop with Future after seeing his Day Game demos on the Love Systems website. They are great examples on how... I knew I wanted to take a Day Game workshop with Future after seeing his Day Game demos on the Love Systems website. They are great examples on how to approach and convinced me that Future's style would really progress my game to the next level.

Short Summary
This was totally life-changing. NYC is the best city (in the US) for Day Game and Future and Lefty were awesome mentors on how to approach the women of New York City during the day!

Longer Version
I live in Dallas, TX and there are not many great spots to day game (the mall is pretty much it). I knew to get the best experience, I needed to go to one of the best day game friendly cities in the US, which was New York City.

Even though there were only two students, Future invited Lefty (junior instructor) to assist with the seminar and in-field. The most memorable parts of the seminar were Future's talk about Frame Control and Qualification. It was nice to also get Lefty's fresh perspective on game. He first started 6 months ago and is a good example of how fast you can improve with dedication and consistency.

The first day of in-field was a beautiful sunny day in New York City. I was very nervous at first and Future made it clear that I just had to get over it (I really appreciated this). I finally did and the approach anxiety passed after the first 2-3 girls (remember, same as night game, those don't "have to" count).

Soon after, things really started getting good, and for the first time ever in my life I approached and talked to 8s, 9s, and even a 10; absolutely amazing! After every approach, Future and Lefty would give me a debrief and suggest where I could improve. Being in NYC allowed the next approach to happen in 5-10 minutes and I could try out their suggestions almost immediately. I really couldn't ask for a better setup.

It rained on day two of in-field, so we gave it a shot at a museum and at Macy's (a huge NYC tourist attraction). This was WAY different than being on the street, but it gave me a whole new perspective, pushed my comfort zone, and allowed me to experience Day Game in ways I never imagined.

Big thanks to Future and Lefty for helping me to finally talk to the most beautiful women that have ever crossed my path. Truly life changing, confidence-boosting, and one of the best weekends of my life. ]]> Love Systems Reviews Resco http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154353-future-day-game-workshop-w-lefty-nyc-april-2012-a.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154289-nick-hoss-day-game-workshop-w-helicase-chicago-month-2012-a.html Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:41:29 GMT I wanted to post a review on my Chicago Daygame bootcamp I just attended. This is not my first bootcamp (also did the Chicago night game bootcamp... I wanted to post a review on my Chicago Daygame bootcamp I just attended.

This is not my first bootcamp (also did the Chicago night game bootcamp the weekend prior) but let me tell you they are intense. Extremely thorough with plenty of time and resources (instructors) to help with questions and sticking points along the way.

My Daygame bootcamp experience was great, and though most of the seminar portion of the bootcamp was review since I've done other programs and know the emotional progression model pretty well, it was still an important brush up. The class size was 3 guys, with myself included and 2 official instructors that taught the material and another instructor that helped as more of an approach coach. Do the math, thats 3 instructors matched up with 3 students!! How could your game not get better after 3 days of constant attention from these guys!?

I really enjoyed Nick Hoss's and Helicase's teaching styles and just their personalities in general. They are normal ass dudes who have really really game and can teach it super well to any student. It was great to see them and hear the stories that they came from (trust me they are probably worse then where most of us came from regarding women) and know the quite simply, practice makes perfect. First ill talk about their skills, then how well I did.

On multiple occasions that weekend I saw first hand Nick Hoss and Helicase approach 9's and 10's and consistently get great results whether it was a great conversation that lasted 10-20 minutes, or them getting numbers and then setting up plans with them on the off hours of the seminar. This was great to see because it REALLY opened my eyes to the fact that daygame is really quite simple. You are genuinely complementing a girl for something you like about her and having a conversation on yours and her life. It just doesnt have as much "smoke and mirrors" as night game, and dont get me wrong I love night game too, but this was much simpler in the fact that you dont have to fry your brain with a million routines your trying to learn. Now when I say this stuff is simple, I dont necessarily mean that its easy. The techniques are taught so well by these guys that it makes the process very simple to implement, but actually going up and approaching beautiful women is not always easy. However for a guy trying to get his love and personal life handled, theres really no other way around it, and this is by far the best thing a guy could do to reach that goal.

The first day of infield was from 1-5pm Saturday. I probably approached 10 girls and got 4 numbers. If you want a rating I would say one was a 6, two were 7's and the other was an 9. One of the 7's and the 9 I am still talking to and plan on meeting up soon but havent been able to yet because of them living outside of Chicago. The 6 im not talking to anymore offered to give me her number about 60 seconds into the set.

The second day of infield on Sunday was a bit different. I went out and night gamed Saturday night and was hungover and out of it on my second day of infield. So out of the 7-8 girls I approached none of them stuck as well as I wanted them to and I didnt get any numbers. This was surely my fault though because I wasn't as present and focused as I should have been in the conversations, hence the girls not seeing much genuineness in it.

Since then Ive approached a girl or two everyday except one of the days where I didnt have time and all have been positive. My approach anxiety is almost non existent some days and actually it excites me to approach a beautiful girl and know that that could turn into me texting her or me meeting up with her and starting a relationship with her. This is ME going out and chasing after the things I want, when I want them, not me getting lucky every once in a while and letting girls come to me.

I really recommend the Daygame bootcamp for anyone trying to get their shit handled and be able to date hot women. Better yet, do a 1 on 1 with these guys for day or night game. It will blow your mind and whatever you decide to do, it's worth it. These guys know their shit and have been doing this forever. They also really care about each students success and making sure they take the necessary steps to get them to where they want to be. Helicase ended up taking one of the students clothes shopping Saturday morning before the infield at Nordstrom's. This was not part of the bootcamp which means after Helicase went out and did night game on Friday, he woke up a couple hours early "off the clock" and helped a student pick out a couple outfits he could where when he is doing daygame and really got this guys style way past what it was when he showed up day 1. People going out of their way and doing stuff they dont have to just doesnt happen a whole lot these days and it just shows how dedicated these guys are and speaks volumes for the Love Systems company in general. Nick Hoss and Helicase are the real deal.

Awesome AWESOME stuff. TAKE A BOOTCAMP!!!

Aaron ]]> Love Systems Reviews airndub http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154289-nick-hoss-day-game-workshop-w-helicase-chicago-month-2012-a.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154288-nick-hoss-supercamp-cape-town-march-2012-a.html Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:18:30 GMT Hey Guys This is my review (its gonna be a long one as its in a journal format!) of the SuperCamp I took with Nick Hoss in March 2012. I waited... Hey Guys

This is my review (its gonna be a long one as its in a journal format!) of the SuperCamp I took with Nick Hoss in March 2012. I waited just over a month to post this review for 2 reasons:

1. I wanted to wait until the "high" of the bootcamp had subsided and i had time to reflect on it and review it in a more cold state.

2. I wanted to go out (alot!) and use the techniques without an instructor present and see if I still felt they were effective.

Firstly, a bit of background on myself:

I am in my mid twenties, and honestly never thought that I would have to attend a workshop on picking up girls. I had lots of girlfriends, hook ups etc. in high school and university and never worried about this area of my life. However once I entered the professional arena, things changed. While I still had girlfriends I seemed to have a lot less choice and each break up hit me a bit harder than in the past. I actually got a little depressed during this time. This pushed me on a self improvement quest which lead me to Lovesystems and soon after that I was contacted about the bootcamp being held in Cape Town, South Africa. The stars lined up I guess.

Review of the Bootcamp itself:

Friday

I went to the hotel to meet Nick who is one of the most likable guys I've ever met. He's down to earth and, despite his size (he's 6ft 5), not intimidating. We went through our backgrounds and our expectations for the course. We then got cracking with the seminar and discussed inner game, approaching and transitioning (with his favorite routines as examples), and some attraction. We also went through the big picture view of a successful pickup i.e the triad model. All I can say is that I was impressed! Nick really knew his stuff, was able to answer all our questions quickly (and used his own personal examples to drive home the points), and was patient when we would argue certain points. We also did demonstrations of approaches to iron out delivery issues which was really helpful. We then broke for dinner and a rest before the infield portion of the workshop. It was cool because we got to know Nick a bit more over dinner and he's actually a very well rounded and motivated guy, which made me feel more comfortable about following his advice.

Friday Night Infield

We got to the club and Nick explained that tonight was about approaching and transitioning. Anything else was a bonus. He then started pushing us into sets, which was good cos I was resistant at first. He was also very willing to do demos and wing the students. After the first few approaches, all the anxiety went away and I ended up doing quite a few approaches and had quite a few good interactions. Nick seemed to be everywhere like when I was chatting to a cute Spanish girl, but not touching her at all, he came out of nowhere and tapped me on the shoulder and told me to escalate. This kind of thing was pretty helpful through the night because after the seminar I was a bit in my head and that can lead to some freeze ups. At about 2.30am Nick said that he felt we had accomplished what we came out to do and we should go home to prepare for the "Day Game" portion of the workshop the next day. I decided to stay out a bit cos i was having a good time. This lead to a drunken make-out after re-approaching a girl from earlier. In all seriousness the only "game" I ran was in the re-approach, and it showed cos she never responded to any of my texts. I guess it was just that time of the night when everyone is drunk and friendly.

Saturday Seminar

Nick started with a debrief of the night before for each of us. He highlighted all our sticking points. All good stuff. My major points were, burning through warm up sets quicker, and escalating earlier (by highlighting them early I was able to reduce them dramatically by Sat night). Then we went into the day game seminar. I was dam excited about this as I had never done (nor seen anyone else do) a day approach in South Africa before (aside from in school or university but those are far more warm environments). Nick broke down the entire day game approach from how to walk, the structure of the opener, as well as the structure of a conversation in the day, e.g. much less gimmicky than during the night, which topics to jump to etc. We also did exercises in coming up with conversational threads which was great. Nick then covered attraction (in more depth), qualification, and some of comfort for both day and night environments (all with his own examples and snippets from his personal life to make the concepts stick). We also practiced story telling, how to tell them, which details to emphasize, what we should try to communicate etc. and Nick jazzed up some stories from our lives so they would be better infield. We then headed out to practice some day game!

Saturday Day Game Infield

Nick explained that he was gonna do a demo for us and then push us into sets. Unfortunately things were pretty dead and sets were few and far between. Nick did find someone to demo on, and she was all smiles but happened to be married. This was great to see and was a bit of a paradigm shift for me. It also gave me confidence to approach. Nick then pushed us into sets (when we could find them) and would give break downs of what went well, what to work on etc. It was interesting to see that there were almost no bad reactions, people were genuinely shocked, intrigued and flattered by the day time approach. The first girl I approached even responded by saying "Wow this is really confident of you!". Even a particularly hot girl (turns out she was a hot Italian tourist) that Nick told me to approach was pretty shocked, she stopped eating her ice cream and just stared for a few seconds. Nick was also pretty supportive which helped because daytime approaches can be nerve wracking. Overall this was a good experience because it gave me a paradigm shift about what is possible even though we were only able to do a few approaches (due to the place being quiet). We then went home to rest for the night time infield portion.

Saturday Night Infield

Saturday night started a lot smother then Friday. Nick told us to start warming up and explained that tonight we were going to open and try to push the interaction as far as possible, hopefully to at least qualification. I had a few short sets before 1 hooked. I basically ran through all of the stuff we did in the seminars (i.e. teasing, trigger words, some of the qualifiers, and used the stories we developed in the workshop etc. all the while escalating physically) and it all seemed to hit. I guess I was enjoying using all this stuff (its like having a new toy!) so much that I started to over game. Then Nick appeared again and told me go for a make out (i.e. push the interaction forward) and that I could probably pull her from the club that night if pushed for it. This helped and I managed to isolate and made out for a bit. The logistics were wrong for a pull though cos of all her friends so i got a number and saw her later that week! We then called it a night to prepare for day game the next day. On the way back home though. Nick debriefed us and gave us our what went well, and what to work on.

Sunday Day Game Infield

Woke up really tired today....this SuperCamp is intense! Went to a new spot for day game, unfortunately its dead as well. In the end Nick pushed us to do an approach or two for practice but there were literally no girls in our target range. A bit disappointing. However, once again, the girls that were approached were almost always shocked and flattered. I can see day game becoming a big part of my life even though its slower and will probably be tougher to master. We then headed back for the last part of the seminar.

Sunday Seminar

Nick started with a breakdown from the last night again with a few more points than what he went through on the way home the previous night. He then went deep into comfort and seduction, and phone and text game. We also went through the big picture points of social circle game, and lifestyle. Nick then gave us an action plan for "after the supercamp" in order to solidify the concepts. This was all good stuff and he answered all of our questions in detail. He was also pretty patient with me when I kept bringing the topic back to a particular social circle situation I was in.

We then called it a day and grabbed some dinner, shared some laughs and said our goodbyes. I was pretty sad that the SuperCamp had ended cos I enjoyed it so much and really felt that I had grown. The only plus was that I could get a decent night's sleep cos I was exhausted!

After the SuperCamp:

This is what I've noticed in the month after the SuperCamp:

- I am having far more and far smoother interactions
- I am approaching far more women (I would approach in the past, but I think that the most I did in a night was maybe 5. Now I just approach girls that I like until something hooks. I recently comfortably did 16 approaches (I usually average 4-6 before something hits) before something clicked and I did not get messed up inside. As Nick told me when I got rejected: "She's just not the right one. It's no big deal!" Its a good mindset to have.)

- I am far more confident in interactions with strangers because I know kinda where I am in the interaction.
- I am having more success with women now than I have for a very long time. I am getting tons of make outs, dates, and recently I got a same night lay! (granted I have been going out extremely aggressively... 4-6 nights per week!)
- I am, for the first time in my life, approaching women in the day. So far I havent had much success (just a few flaky phone numbers, and 2 instant dates that didn't really go anywhere) but I can feel my interactions are getting much smoother, albeit slower than my night game, and my confidence is growing. I think day game is going to be great for me....eventually!
- Life just tastes better when this stuff is going well!

So I'm convinced that the SuperCamp changed my life in a very positive way and the model from Lovesystems works! The only tweak that I would make to the program would be to arrange our night and day venues a bit better. But this is a minor issue and its as much the students fault as the instructor's.

Overall this program rocked! Nick Hoss is a great instructor and a great guy and i look forward to working with him in the future. Seriously guys, if you have the opportunity to take a bootcamp with him.....just do it! You won't regret it.

Thank you Jeremy (Lovesystems program manager) and Nick for making this happen in SA! ]]> Love Systems Reviews AlphaGuy http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154288-nick-hoss-supercamp-cape-town-march-2012-a.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154195-nick-hoss-mini-seminar-washington-dc-april-2012-a.html Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:43:04 GMT Hey guys, first post here, but just want to write up a quick review of Nick Hoss's mini seminar last night in DC. I've been to a lot of these mini seminars, and most fall into one of two categories: (1) they scratch the surface of a subject but never really get into the meat of it or (2) they're just two-hour sales pitches for longer programs.

Nick managed to avoid both of those pitfalls.

He was clear from the outset about the limitations of the format. He had three hours, he intended to maximize our value, but he wasn't going to cover everything, just go into the meat of two subjects: day game and dates.

The day game portion was broken down into two sections: mindsets (i.e., inner game) and approaches. The mix of inner and outer game was well balanced, and the material included a good mix of the basics and "here's a more advanced version of this..." That's not to say Nick covered everything. For instance, opening multiple sets during the day, or approaching from angles other than behind. Still, he gave real, practical advice on how to improve your day game results, and things you could apply immediately. Nothing was left halfassed, or worse, "... and you can pay more money to come to my full day game workshop." Nick took this seriously as a teaching opportunity, respected our time and investment in coming out, and wanted us to walk away with solid, great advice.

The dates portion was a real treat, and previewed some material from his forthcoming materials on dates. This covered, in an hour, both the basic logistics of dates as well as a few "date templates" that we could use to think up great dates.

Finally, Nick spent a good 45 minutes on Q&A, answering questions not just about day game, but about any aspect of game. Again, I was impressed with Nick as a teacher here. Every question, no matter how personal to a guy's game, was turned into an opportunity to help both the asker and every other guy in the room. I was surprised how many notes I took from questions that I thought had no relevance to my game.

At $50, this seminar was a steal. I got to sit for 3 hours not just with a guy with great game, or even a guy with good material, but with a great teacher. And as anyone with a favorite teacher knows, great teachers are hard to come by.

P.S. If Nick ever says to you, "I just wrote an article about that on my blog!" (as he did several times during the mini seminar)... it's because the he's is a prolific writer and just covered the subject in way more detail than he could possibly tell you in a few sentences. Highly recommended reading! ]]> Love Systems Reviews The Mouth http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154195-nick-hoss-mini-seminar-washington-dc-april-2012-a.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154131-fader-stripper-hired-guns-new-orleans-april-2012-a.html Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:11:42 GMT A weekend of mayhem - having the time of my life tearing up the best street for strip clubs in the US, dancers asking fader if it was okay for them... A weekend of mayhem - having the time of my life tearing up the best street for strip clubs in the US, dancers asking fader if it was okay for them to go back to work, ironical situations where dancers are calling me to hangout while I was in the strippers and hired guns seminar and experiencing first hand Unexplained Strip Club Phenonmenons

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Last year at the SuperConference Fader spent some time with me at Spearmint Rhino giving me free advice which made me want to come to the very next Stripper and hired gun workshop which was this one in New Orleans.

We arrived to a packed NCAA final 4 weekend in New Orleans. Fader started to break it down the moment the seminar started.

He had extensive material that prove invaluable in field that you wont find a trace of anywhere else. I had an aha! moment in the first 5 mins in terms of what I was doing horribly wrong with my stripper game and several other aha! moments throughout the course. He extended the seminar portion a good 3-4 hours on each day(a total of 8 hrs of extra teaching time - only 5 hrs on each of the 2 days was promised). Thats not just extra time - thats someone who is giving his well drawn out material from the foremost authority in world when it comes to strippers and hired guns as far as im concerned - all LS instuctors have world's most airtight game especially the leads but ive seen em all together at spearmint rhino w/ Fader at the SC ...only one person stood out - no one could touch Fader there. I knew he was the "stripper guy" but after the program now I know how and why he does it. Ive also seen instructors in person from other known companies who had some good(not great) game but nothing worth wasting words on this review.

Topics covered in the course in exhaustive detail - Stripper Psychology, Hired Gun Psychology, Strip club dynamics, Advanced high octance attraction, Advanced Frame control, Misc - Hooters girls, Scams, Advanced notes - pulls, anti flaking techniquesetc.

Infield - first and foremost I had a crap load of fun just kicking it with Fader and the other two supercool guys that were on the program. The term USP (Unexplained Strip Club phenomenon) was also coined by Fader on this workshop. I was heavily armed going into all of those Strip clubs with all the guns I had from Fader. Fader pretty much got any dancer he liked - they would come back to him like he was crack and they couldnt get enough of him. I was number closing left, right and centre. All of the guys were killing it. One of the dancers called me in the middle of the seminar the next day - " We were supposed to hangout today" She said....I said "Im at a SHTG seminar, maybe tomorrow ?"

It looks like all his STHG workshops are sold out for this year but if Fader asks you to come out to a strip club on a workshop - go for it. If he invites you to go anywhere for that matter. Hes always keeps it cool with his students.

Only regret I have is that some of my questions which took time off of the seminar could have waited while we were eating sushi and downing Sake. That time couldve been spent Fader delivering more STHG material. Fader has a lot of valuable stuff to say so keep that in mind - ask him good questions but dont take him off on tangents unnecessarily !


I havent been able to go out that much lately but the few times I have - my friends who arent strangers to frequent SNL's etc as well look at me like im a messiah when Im # closing bartenders and strippers.

my fav line from the workshop - im not the next customer for the dancer... shes the next girl on the Fader show.

Now I have my own show - so stay tuned kids for more coke tales from slutty girls with more tattoos than clothes. ]]> Love Systems Reviews smitters http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154131-fader-stripper-hired-guns-new-orleans-april-2012-a.html http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154116-keychain-bootcamp-amsterdam-april-2012-a.html Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:20:29 GMT *Seminar * When I met Keychain he immediately struck me as a very friendly, relaxed type of guy that you feel very comfortable around. He was... Seminar

When I met Keychain he immediately struck me as a very friendly, relaxed type of guy that you feel very comfortable around. He was assisted by Johan, the AC (and host) for the weekend, who I already knew.

I wasn't completely new to the TRIAD model, having read Magic Bullets and practiced in field with the Project Amsterdam guys for a month or so. Fortunately, the other three participants of the BC weren't complete beginners either. Two were actual members of Project Amsterdam (with more advanced skills then me) and the other had a lot of theoretical knowledge.

The seminar started with an exercise in which we had to think about what our goal was, what kind of person we wanted to become. We then had to visualize this as if we would be part of a movie. We then wrote down all the benefits that we would get from becoming this person and all the drawbacks from not becoming this person. Finally, we wrote down all the reasons why we thought we were able to achieve this.

This was a great exercise and reading it back proved to be a great motivation and drive for going out and practice.

When I signed up for the boot camp I was mainly interested in the 'in-field' part. I thought by reading Magic Bullets I already knew most of the theory. I can say I was quite wrong about this. Since all of the participants had read Magic Bullets several times, Keychain skipped a lot of the basics and went way deeper into the material.

He had us do very useful exercises and it was really great to be able to ask specific questions and hear some of his personal stories.

We spend hours discussing the in-field experience from the night before and everyone was given specific feedback and advice on their game.

On day three we had time to do some electives. We choose 'txt & phone game', 'day 2s' and storytelling. Johan did a nice presentation about SNL.

After the last seminar I looked down on my notes to discover I had written over 40 pages of notes, close to 10k words. Other then being highly informative, the seminar was also a lot of fun. Keychain has a lot of humor and some of his teases and 'shit-test' responses were hilarious. My favorite one was teasing a girl from a small village in the countryside: 'I think your donkey got a ticket' :D.

In-field

At night we went out to practice in field around Rembrandt square. We split up in two groups and started with a 'warm-up' round. In this hour you basically approach a bunch of sets just to get into a talkative mood and practice some openers and routines.

After an hour or so the real game started. I wanted to get as much out of the BC as possible so I wasn't interested in staying in specific sets too long as I wanted to do a lot of sets. Keychain and Johan understood this and told me to hand them the 'remote' control for a few hours.

I was send into numerous sets and I also winged a bunch of times. Upon returning, I was always given immediate feedback, instructions for the next set and send back on my way.

Halfway through the night we had a quick break. Keychain discussed our progress and sticking points. After the break the groups were rearranged to give everyone equal time with both Keychain and Johan.

I was pushed into doing some things I had never done before which were quite scary, such as:

-approaching a seated mixed 8 set of youngsters about half my age (three of which were quite attractive girls) with no room to lock-in in the middle of a busy bar :). Interestingly, it was the ugliest girl who ended up blowing me out ("Walk on!!!!")

-Approaching a 3 set (consisting of two of the prettiest girls in the bar and a pretty big beefy dude), opening one of the girls direct: "I saw you from over there and I had to come say hi, is this your boyfriend?". The dude was very impressed by my move and immediately started high fiving me :)

-Approaching a set and moving them to the dance floor within 10 minutes. To my surprise, this went amazingly well and one of the girls was all over me once we got to the dance floor before she got dragged away by her friend. You can read that logistical escalation works, but you need to see it yourself to believe it :)

Keychain and Johan did a great job teaching us. Keychain analyzed my game very quickly, after just a few sets. This is quite impressive as he was observing from a distance and couldn't hear the conversation. He pointed out the flaws in my game and gave specific instructions how to improve. He even came over one time while I was in set to whisper some instructions in my ear.

You can tell this guy has years of experience as he has an answer to any question you can think of. When you listen to him explaining, it all sounds pretty easy and he kept reminding that it just takes a lot of practice and that anyone can learn it, which is a great motivation. I also liked his analogy to playing RPG computer games: 'instead of having to slay 20 goblins in order to level up, you now have to do 20 sets'.

Keychain has great work ethics and other then being very professional he is also a very pleasant guy to work with. On our request he did a set himself where Johan winged him. I sat close by to observe and could overhear him talking. I wouldn't recommend asking for a lot of demos as it's more helpful to be in set yourself then to observe, but it was good to see him do one set if only to realize there is nothing supernatural or out of the ordinary about him, it just takes a lot of practice.

I have to say Johan added a lot of value as well. Even though we've been out a few times before the BC already, I could definitely feel that he went into professional mode during BC. I liked that he took notes on his Iphone while I was in set and upon returning instantly gave his feedback as well as a few specific things to focus on in the next set. He also took care of our coats and drinks so that we could maximize our time in set, which I thought was an awesome gesture and shows a very professional mentality.

Recommendations:

During the seminar I sometimes felt that it was a bit time consuming to literally write down openers, teases and other material. I think it would be better to work with handouts and/or pre-typed material in order to save time.

The extra time that becomes available could be spent on exercises. Write a good 1 minute attraction story, practice some openers and transitions together, practice some body language, come up with good teases or shit test responses etc. You could even think about bringing in a girl to practice approaches or conversations. I feel this would be more valuable.

Conclusion:

All in all I have to say it was an amazing weekend. I had a lot of fun, learned a lot and have great motivation to move forward and get better in the future. Although $3k is a lot of money, for me it was absolutely worth every penny. In fact, it's probably the best $3k I've ever spent in my life and I can totally recommend this to anyone who wants to improve their results with woman. ]]> Love Systems Reviews Japking http://www.theattractionforums.com/love-systems-reviews/154116-keychain-bootcamp-amsterdam-april-2012-a.html