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    I understand where you are coming from, but not all girls are like the ones that these "systems" refer to - ones that require a immense amount of skill, and practice just to break through their shit barriers and such. Every so often you do come across a girl who is genuinely interested in you, where the ability to speak to her and get her number isn't requiring of excessive gaming (for lack of a better word). When these girls come along, you don't need to start kino 'ing her, or talk cocky, or be negative, or any of that crap just to get any sort of indicator of interest. You can just tell by her body language that, hey, she thinks you are cute/attractive and really wants to talk to you. And such was the case with this girl.
    The problem with this mentality is:
    Let's assume that girls like this exist.
    There are lots of guys in the world - why would she choose you over all the others?

    Game is about finding out what that special value is and creating it in yourself.

    I'm interested to hear how your next interaction with her goes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiPU View Post
    The problem with this mentality is:
    Let's assume that girls like this exist.
    There are lots of guys in the world - why would she choose you over all the others?

    Game is about finding out what that special value is and creating it in yourself.

    I'm interested to hear how your next interaction with her goes.
    I waited around longer than usual this morning to hear the elevator would move, but it didn't. I can only wait so long before I actually need to leave for work. So I didn't see her this morning. And unfortunately, I am off the rest of the week.
    I don't really feel like waking up at 6:15 on a day off just to "try" to see her. I'm definitely not going to get into work clothes for 15 minutes and then come back upstairs and get undressed, and I'm certainly not sure how to sell street clothes at 6:15 AM...lol.

    I get what you are saying...
    Girls like that do exist. I actually met one this week - I met her off a dating site, unfortunately she was planning on leaving the country within a week. But she was nice, and just looking for a nice guy to hang out with. Took her to dinner, had a nice date, spent a few hours together just chatting. Saw her a couple nights later - she came to my apartment to watch a movie. She stuck around for a couple hours before I started to get tired, and then she left (I was amidst a work period of 80 hours in 7 days). We spoke on the internet afterward, and she said she would have liked to have cuddled (since the movie we watched ended up having much more gore than I had expected). She came over the next night, and we cuddled while watching tv. I asked her to come sit next to me and cuddle, I later asked if I could kiss her and things escalated from there. The next night (her last night here) she said she was going out with her friend. She texted me from the bar, telling me she was bored and wanted to come over (this was around 11PM). I said ok, she got over by 11:45, cuddled, escalated, then desired to sleep over at the end.

    I will admit that the girl was probably an HB5, her body was very nice but her face wasn't super, and I had been speaking to her on the internet for a good 5 weeks or so prior.

    I don't have any prior experiences in picking up women, day or night. The girl on the elevator was the first girl I ever asked out after randomly seeing her in person, so it certainly was a thrill to get her number.
    But I do have experience in reading body language. I have been on enough dates with women (all from internet dating...60 different women in a year) to know what to look for in terms of indicators of interest. And I can tell you that each time prior to this past Tuesday, where I saw her randomly on the elevator in this capacity, I could see her, in the corner of my eye, her leaning sideways shoulder against the wall, angled towards me, looking like she was waiting for me to say hi. (Most people on elevators stand straight up, facing a wall, looking straight up or down).

    To answer your question...one cannot answer that question until you get the girl and ask her "why me?". If everyone is reading and using these "gaming" systems, it makes guys all the same. You just have to stand out with charm and confidence - not cockiness and negativity (at least in my opinion). I can guarantee that most of these personal stories that guys on this forum put up to archive their sarging or what-not, just end up being one-and-done, and they never really find if they are compatible with the woman for a relationship to have the woman answer the question "why him?" - they just enough cockiness and negativity to induce comfort so as to get in their pants and that's it...they probably don't care about the "why me?". Since I do care about the "why me?", and care about a relationship, being cocky and negative and kino'ing wouldn't make me stand out.


    Anyway, since I am off the rest of the week, I will plan on calling her at some point when I feel appropriate. Either tomorrow or wednesday.
    Can't be concerned about her tonight, though. I have a speed dating event planned - a friend invited me along.

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    Chipsahoy, I totally understand what you mean, but KiwiPU is telling you some true stuff man. She may not like the nice guy and is attracted to bad boys. You came off as a friendly guy looking for a soulmate. Maybe she wants that guy who can fuck her silly! You know what I mean? She probably gave you her number to be nice. A lot of times, women signal IOI's just for the attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Greezy View Post
    Chipsahoy, I totally understand what you mean, but KiwiPU is telling you some true stuff man. She may not like the nice guy and is attracted to bad boys. You came off as a friendly guy looking for a soulmate. Maybe she wants that guy who can fuck her silly! You know what I mean? She probably gave you her number to be nice. A lot of times, women signal IOI's just for the attention.
    This is true. I won't disagree with you there. I would have expected a fake number in that event! Giving out her real number to random guys for attention probably isn't something smart for a woman to do...lol.

    The more friends I tell my story to, the more responses I get of "you didn't do anything wrong, she just flaked out". And, who say "why didn't you ask her out right there?" And I agree with them, in retrospect I should have asked for a concrete day when she agreed to coffee. I was just so overcome with emotion to even think about asking for a day - I figured from her reaction to me that she would have answered the phone.

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    Tried calling once more (+4 days since I last tried). No answer, left a text. No response.

    Probably going to call this one a lost cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipsahoy View Post
    Tried calling once more (+4 days since I last tried). No answer, left a text. No response.

    Probably going to call this one a lost cause.
    Sorry man, it happens :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Greezy View Post
    Sorry man, it happens :/
    It's all good. She wasn't a super model, and most of my friends warned me about dating in the building...can get awkward if things go sour.

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    Do not look over your shoulder! Like many of the guys said
    Plenty more out there!!
    However what I would have done differently is
    after talking to her in the elevator walk out with her, stop her and run game !
    number close
    text a couple of times tease- make fun of a building situation (i.e dogs humping in the corridor or whatever!)
    see her in the elevator 2 days after talk to her about your plan of doing something fun in a couple of days and tell her to come along (in no more than 5 min)! state of mind do not be eager for her to come!
    if she is ready she will pickup on the invite! if she is busy that day, she may show interest next time you see her and ask you how it was and you can take it from there depending on the interaction!
    I suggest dating as many girls as possible that will be DHV and pre-selection!

    Good luck!

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    Well, this is reopened...

    I was checking out to see if she had gotten back yet in the garage (I really never wanted to close the door on this, and since I changed to night shift I've been trying to figure out when she gets home so I could adjust fate some more and see her again on the elevator), and just as I was opening the door from the stairway I heard the car-door-lock sound and saw her car lights blink (she always parks next to the stairs) meaning she just got home. So I ran upstairs to my garage floor, waited for the elevator to go down to her garage floor, and voilą, she was on the elevator when the elevator arrived...adjusted fate once again.

    Conversation went as followed:

    Me: Hey, how are you?
    Her: Good, and you?
    Me: Not bad, I'm on my way to work, they changed me to night shift a couple weeks ago. I just forgot something upstairs.
    Her: Oh ok.
    Me: Hey, I tried calling you not long after we met, did you get my message?
    Her: Hmm, no, I didn't. (puzzed look) I was out of town for a little bit...
    Me: Oh ok, well would you like to go out this weekend?
    Her: Unfortunately, I'm going out of town this weekend.
    (elevator arrives at her floor...but she doesn't show any sort of urgency for the elevator door closing)
    Me: Oh ok. Here let me walk out with you here. Hold on, let me see if I have the right number.
    (I walk out with her, I take out my phone and read her number from my phone)
    Her: Yup, that's it, just call it. Have a good night at work!
    Me: Thanks, you too.


    My friend thinks she is giving me some BS in this day in age with phones. I don't know. I guess it is worth trying to call her again after the weekend as she is "supposedly" going out of town?
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    Chipsahoy...

    She liked you, but you creeped her out. Now you're making it worse with each contact. STOP!!!
    You were told not to ask about the messages. but you did anyway. Not good.
    It seems like you're not taking anyones advise and making it worse. The thing is this can be salvaged, but how you've handled it, it'll just get messed up again. Apologize to the girl for being creepy.. and move on. Study this forum if you really want to know how to do better in the future.


    Please do not call her. She will not answer and there's nothing you can say on her vm to get her to call you back.

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