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    “Can I Take Your Order?� - How to Sarge Hired Guns

    “Can I Take Your Order?� - Hired Gun Sarging

    [Situations described are all true...!! However names of hired guns have been fabricated for their privacy]
    It has happened to me too often. Mystic rings me up, “Lets go sarge dude�, Malibu replies “Yeh sweet….is Whisper coming too?�….�Yeh I think So�….�Sweet I’ll pick him up….I’ll be at your place in 30 mins�.
    Then we leave from Mystic’s fine abode…�where are we going?�…. “Lets go to Norton St and have coffee� So we rock up to one of the many cafes we know of. We are regulars there….all the staff know who we are. I walk past Big Joe…say hi…shake his hand….Rachael, one of the waitresses comes up to us and gives us a kiss on the cheek…..Stevo the manager says hi…..Kojak, the owner yells out “hey boys, back again!�…(we call him that cos he’s bald!….the other waitresses walk past and give us a kiss on the cheek too as they are serving customers….Sandra, Jess, Sarah, Abby, Tina and surfer chick Kate (we think she is a lesbian but she is still cool!!!)
    Then we sit down at our usual table….and get that usual feeling…we look around and we are getting hit IOI’s like bombs on Baghdad. Girls from various sets have there eyes on us….Can You Say Social Proof!...we know we can sarge any of the girls here….and then it happens….we get lazy and say “ah fuck it….lets sarge the guns!�….LOL….
    I must admit sarging guns is a different challenge….its not like usual Game. The techniques vary…but the routines and theories stay the same. My wings and I have dedicated a lot of time to sarging hired guns...and I have noticed some important concepts. I see a lot of questions relating to sarging hired guns so I feel it is an important topic to discuss. There is not much info in the VAH about it and I honestly believe that there should be. After all….a lot of hired guns are babes!
    Basic Outlay

    Ok….so lets go back to basics….The phases…Attraction, Comfort and Seduction. As described in the VAH, the timing of these phases exist generically as 30 mins for attraction, 6 hours for comfort and 30 mins for seduction….sometimes I do seduction a bit quicker but that’s only co sim a horny mutha fucker!...so it totals 7 hours. Ok…well for hired guns I use a different time split….and generally my total sarge until F Close is a lot longer than 7 hours.
    A1 - Opening
    The opening in a hired gun sarge is fake. It occurs for a reason....she needs to take your order...that’s it. She doesn’t want to socialise, she doesn’t want to fuck….although most women when it work would rather be somewhere else with a nice stiff one in them! But remember, she is not coming up to you to initialise a relationship.
    Don’t be the boring old ill have a cappuccino and two flat whites thanks...She will barely look at you. You want to get her attention. But its more than usual sets…at clubs and bars girls are more laid back. At work…they are uptight and their protection shield is up more.
    I’ve heard a line on the forum here somewhere and I love it...use it all the time....I forgot who posted so I apologise for not mention your name but its like this...hired gun walks up and asks to take your order..."Hi, I’m Malibu, Ill be your waiter for this evening, can I read you the specials we have today?"...it’s gold!
    My wing always runs an opener of some sort before ordering. He is cocky and funny….and says some weird shit sometimes….but it always makes the waitress have to think about what she is saying. Sometimes this catches her un aware because she is so used to routine of ordering and serving that it throws her into reverse, shocks her system, and she will remember to keep coming back to you not just for serving you.
    Overall....you should still run A1 on them...and make it as far out and as weird as possible...because then they will not forget who you are. Remember though to keep the A1 stage for the first encounter when she comes up to you….and that’s it….when she comes back next, run A2.
    A2 – Female to Male Interest
    This is where things go pear shaped....A2 in hired gun sets suck. When you think you’re getting IOI's...wrong....your not...most of the time you’re getting fake IOI's. See while your being all funny and DHVing and thinking this girl is into me a lot of the time, she is just there to do a job....not show you interest....she is playful towards you because she has to be, not because she is genuinely interested.
    Best way I approach this is I run heaps of active disinterest and a few more negs...despite what rating she is...even if she is a 6 I throw negs in. As I mentioned earlier her protection shield is up more...she is thinking "oh my god...yet another cocky customer who wants to try and pick me up because he can’t talk to any of these other girls!"...that’s what she is thinking.
    Don’t use stories…or if you do, keep them short and sweet and add short sharp spikes. Better yet….have your wing help you out by talking highly of you. “Oh you know my mate Mystic, guess what kind of job he has….its so out there you’ll never guess….he is………………………………..(insert something funny here!)……..�
    A2 is very quick in hired gun sets so keep it simple and don’t fuck around. Keep cocky funny to a minimal, plenty of active disinterest through the use of body language especially and plenty of negs. Make her defend herself a little. You don’t have to worry about her not coming back…because she works there. It will set up nicely for A3.
    A3 – Male to Female Interest
    Qualifying her is very important....you need to spend more time in A3 than usual....qualify her fine arse big time or she will flake on you. The rest of the encounter on the first night you meet her should be spent qualifying her…that’s a lot of qualifying, so pace it out. Use heaps of BAIT HOOK REEL RELEASE questions.
    Be wary though not to come off too needy. I usually keep my body language showing disinterest even while I’m qualifying her. Why? Once again she is there for a reason. If you show interest too quickly, and her protection shield is up again. I don’t even set up a day 2 on the first night….I know I’m going to see her again…..she works there for crying out load….so do rush it.
    Get to know her, herself and her interests. Plan out your attack for the next night you see her on the first while you’re qualifying. It’s a little like running comfort but still qualifying her at the same time. This stage can be make or break. So calibrate yourself to it. Overall, keep showing disinterest, and pace out your qualifying a lot longer than usual. Use more BAIT HOOK questions rather than routines.

    Attraction Conclusion

    Overall the attraction phase is all done at the meeting point....the first time you see her....1-2 minutes for A1 this first time she comes up to you, 2-5 minutes A2 the second and third time she comes up to you and the rest of the time which could be anywhere from 1-2 hours qualifying. Remember even though this seems like a long time, keep in mind that you need to spend longer because A1 and A2 are fake….they don’t really happen like usual plus your mixing a bit of comfort in with a3. Not much, because you still are qualifying her, but the next time she sees you she will be more comfortable with you.
    Comfort – Build Rapport and Trust

    The next time you see her at her work an every other time until you time bridge to somewhere outside of work...you’re in comfort. Comfort time should be increased....from 5-6 to more like 8-10 hours....why?...because everything run in attraction is shortened except A3 which is similar to comfort anyway....so you need to spend more time in the actual comfort stage. I like to break up C1 as every time you see her at her work before you time bridge elsewhere and C2 as from the time you start to see her outside of her work.
    I’ve also noticed that you should throw some DHV spikes (even though your not in A2) to refresh her attraction switches....remember....she is at work....she is thinking about finishing...not about you....so you need to refresh her memory from time to time.
    If in normal game you rush through A1-A3....your bound to end up with flakes...with hired guns its the same...except your guaranteed to see her again...because she works there....so run heaps of comfort....before organising a Day 2 with her.
    With the sarges I have had with hired guns I have also noticed a requirement to kiss close. This is very important. Kiss Close her as soon as you get the chance on the time bridge other wise you will LJBF yourself big time.
    Not much to comment on with comfort except, Extend the time you comfort to about 8-10 hours, through DHV spikes in constantly to refresh her memory. Run routines like the cube and strawberry fields outside of her workplace…i.e. during C2…not C1. And for god sake Kiss Close her. She wants you….that’s why she is seeing you outside of work. So don’t fuck it up by making her wait for a kiss.
    For now Ill leave it at that but by all means please ask me heaps of questions in this thread. I know there are heaps more things I can add to this slowly so I will continue to update this with more info as I get questions and overall.
    Good luck
    Peace out



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    cool, Ah, its been awhile.. But yeah, good to se you goin hard Mal.. U really getting into the whole MM huh.. Interesting, I've been solidifying my whole Natural/Direct game over the past lil while..
    & funnily enough have been sarging the strip clubs & more classier clubs around town.. so yeah, I guess I have a few pointers..
    I would say that the whole thing about "being different", doing what every other guy doesn't do, is highly critical in these HG situations.. i.e, @ a strip club never tip, write in your diary, dont take notice of the girls until they approach you etc etc.. in a restaraunt order something that isn't on the menu, be slightly rude/aggresive, then follow it up with a wink (or nice gesture) in bars, accuse them of giving you the eye, throw negs in almost instantly, order a drink that you kno is real difficult to make (in order to prolong you're initial contact & give u more time 2 DHV & run whatever it is liek to run on her) @ live events, dancers/cheerleaders etc.. jump into A2 after a quick opener,getthem qualifying asap, (IODs & SODs work well in this environment) err.. thats about all I can think of off the top of my head.. been busy as hell lately.. So its rare I get to post, but yeah.. will b around..
    Malibu, I'l lb in Sydney week after next, might b able to link up if not too busy.. should b fun.. will show yall the melbourne style.. used to live up in syd, & from memory, its too easy up there.. So yall might b able to find me some challenging spots..
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    Most important part about this is the negs, as the are sick and tired of getting compliments. I have closed 6 or 7 hired guns, including several waitresses.
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    Blast! This wouldve been useful a fortnight ago. What are you supposed to do when its a barmaid in a REALLY busy bar? The other night I was getting IOI's allover the place, a few which couldve been hit or miss, but she started serving me before the people in front of me in the queue, which is a pretty big one, I think the initiated because of the ridiculously hot pivot I had found when i got there. The only thing is because I had such little time I just motioned her over and said "Would you consider yourself an interesting person?" and she said a whole loada crap that meant yes, and I said "well give me your email address and Ill decide for myself" so she told me to meet her at the end of the night and she gave me it. I emailed her and never replied then the next time I saw her she told me her internet was fucked, so she gave me her number, then I called her and a guy, who seemed to know her, and wasnt too happy about me calling her answered and said she wasnt there. What should I have done? (I hope this doesnt count as high jacking a thread, I apologise in advance for the length of this)

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    Quote Originally Posted by megadirt
    Blast! This wouldve been useful a fortnight ago. What are you supposed to do when its a barmaid in a REALLY busy bar?
    this is why it is important to keep your threads short, sharp and to the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by megadirt
    The other night I was getting IOI's allover the place, a few which couldve been hit or miss, but she started serving me before the people in front of me in the queue, which is a pretty big one, I think the initiated because of the ridiculously hot pivot I had found when i got there. The only thing is because I had such little time I just motioned her over and said "Would you consider yourself an interesting person?" and she said a whole loada crap that meant yes, and I said "well give me your email address and Ill decide for myself" so she told me to meet her at the end of the night and she gave me it. I emailed her and never replied then the next time I saw her she told me her internet was fucked, so she gave me her number, then I called her and a guy, who seemed to know her, and wasnt too happy about me calling her answered and said she wasnt there. What should I have done? (I hope this doesnt count as high jacking a thread, I apologise in advance for the length of this)
    seemed like you dhved well before she got busy....and then you kept everything short and to the point....i reckon you should have qualified her more before closing her...seems like you rushed the number close....dont forget...next time you go there she will be there working...so there is no need to rush the number close.

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    That's really interesting, Malibu.
    When you say false IOIs, what about her touching you? Are you saying she'll do all the same IOIs and they could all be false?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucy
    That's really interesting, Malibu.
    When you say false IOIs, what about her touching you? Are you saying she'll do all the same IOIs and they could all be false?
    alot of ioi's can be fake....especially touching you....most waitresses do that to all the guys that come in...why?....she is validating herself to you.....
    think about this...your at a club....in set with more then one girl....all of a sudden the both get up to go to the bathroom...then she turns to you and and says "im just going to the bathroom...ill be back in a sec ok..."....that is a fake IOI...she is validating herself to you...she doesnt want to seem like a bitch...but she wants to get out of the set...so she gives you an excuse.....
    this is described in detail in the VAH....but its the same at cafes and restaurants...she doesnt want to be a bitch...cos your her customer...so she validates herself to you to be nice and make you think that she is interested when really she isnt....
    girls cant help this...they are hardwired into doing it..beware of it....

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    Barteders are awesome to sarge...but most of the time they are fast paced because of the work they have to do.....best sarge them very early in the night...take away...and then throughout the night come back to the bar and give them glimpses of yourself ...thow a few winks at them and shit and then towards the end of the night close the deal...or set up a timebridge...

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    ok malibu my advices

    MY PERSONNAL EXPERIENCE WITH HG"S
    i sarged an HG owner at a club in Montreal
    i went in with my wing
    we improvised it up but it went like this
    we sat in front of her ( bartender) my back was turned and i looked pretty pissed off ( i was really pissed)
    than my wing ordered
    she asked my wing what i had
    my wing told her i just broke up with my girlfriend
    then she started to ask me whole bunch of questions...I looked very dramatic, i told her you know some things must be done in life and tonight i l drink my pain out of it and i be alright
    she offered us drinks
    she asked for my name
    i went with mysterio
    i dint ask for her
    i told her i d call her hope because she made me smile and cheered me up
    she was directly facing me, serving other customers and coming back to fluff
    i wansnt even being cocky funny here
    she was asking me where i m from and so on...when i told her she was like
    " oh it s so cool down there, i have friends that come from here too"
    my body language was desinterested though
    she was all energetic tellin me she was going to this trip in greace and so on
    she told me she was irish so i dared her on shots pouring
    i paid her a drink
    she paid me another one later on...
    when we cheared
    i told her " so what do we cheer for?"
    " you decide " ( it s a routine i do all the time to get a glimpse of what the hb s thinkin about)
    HG: to hope!
    me: alright to hope!
    at one point my wing showed her a special drink she didn t knew about.
    After what i believe was the end of A3, i let her go and left her a cheap necklace, told her it had sentimental value for me since my " niece" made it
    she did not want to accept it at 1rst, i put it on her she kept it and promised me she l give it back to me next time i l see her
    i left ( did not asked for the phone close )
    i came back the next week, with another wing
    i asked for the necklace she told me she still had it
    i gave a time bride right away ( we were passing by, i thought i d tell you hi)
    than she offered me a drink
    she told me i baptised this drink the " mysterio"
    my customers love it, i ve named it after you
    she looked real busy
    from that point i phase shift ( without isolating)
    and i guess i showed to much interest
    things went down from there
    i saw things downfalling
    this is where i told her about an art thing i was going on the next day
    she seemed interested about it she wanted the adress
    i did not have it on me
    so i told her leave me your number and i l tell you tomorrow
    " I dont give my number "
    than tried to explain to her that a number was superficial it s only a mean to reach you
    she did nt buy it
    and spent less and less time with us
    i ejected
    .....................................
    MY ADVICES TO MALIBU OR ANY OF YOU GUYS
    what i d suggest with hg s
    in attraction phase is makin lots of misinterpretation or stupid cold reading that obviously does not apply to her, than talk to the other workers down there, point her by the finger than back turn and start making the co-worker about her
    i find it s one of the best weapon to trigger the chick s attention only if you have effectivly neg her and false diqualified her you l have magic
    example:
    pua to the co-worker ( preferably not looking at her) : she s like this...blabla...no for real! haha
    co-worker ( looking at her) : hahah
    HG: hey, are you guys talking about me?
    PUA: see i told you she was curious and she was going to come her
    co-worker: haha
    PUA: don t you have orders to take? hey i order you to give me blabla, than if you do your job properly then MAYBE i tell you what we were talking about
    rerember customers 1rst! ( with cocky funny face)
    that s only an example
    from there
    you can bait her to qualify herself to you
    invent gossips
    " he told me this about you are you really like that"
    neg her or let her explain herself and so on
    look at her name ( if it s writeen) or just nickname her ( ex: pink ranger)
    when she comes tell your buddies, hey its pink ranger
    than make your buddies call her pink rangers and start making some power ranger jokes
    so next time you see her do the power ranger sign so both of you guys have an inside joke
    she l say something like " your friend came last time and called me pink ranger"
    bait her in C1 to show her a cool power ranger kata that you need space and so on
    ask her when she has her break or use the inside joke to get isolation
    down there ask her are we going to see a power ranger movie or something (for C2)
    suddently stop the joking
    phase shift and kiss close routine or
    invent some power ranger kiss close routine or something
    from there you should be in business
    this is just normal stuff i do without having to think about it before
    it s the 1rst time i actually put this on paper lool
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    All good stuff!
    One of my best field tested techniques for sarging hired guns is to leave my phone number and email address at the end of the first night but make them FAKE. I mean, obviously fake. I'll write them on a piece of paper and put it in with my tip. It will usually look something like this:
    Hey, you're great. Call or email me!
    555-5555
    HBWaitresslovesFlexxxsomuchshecanthelpit@gmail.com
    This never fails to make me memorable and it plays a little push-pull. She gets guys leaving their info for her all the time but just as she starts to roll her eyes, she realizes it's fake and you didn't really want to hang out with her after all. The next time I show up, the girl gets fake angry at me, I blow through her test, and after that, she really wants to hang out with me. This almost never fails.
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