â€śCan I Take Your Order?â€? - How to Sarge Hired Gunsâ€śCan I Take Your Order?â€? - Hired Gun Sarging
[Situations described are all true...!! However names of hired guns have been fabricated for their privacy]
It has happened to me too often. Mystic rings me up, â€śLets go sarge dudeâ€?, Malibu replies â€śYeh sweetâ€¦.is Whisper coming too?â€?â€¦.â€?Yeh I think Soâ€?â€¦.â€?Sweet Iâ€™ll pick him upâ€¦.Iâ€™ll be at your place in 30 minsâ€?.
Then we leave from Mysticâ€™s fine abodeâ€¦â€?where are we going?â€?â€¦. â€śLets go to Norton St and have coffeeâ€? So we rock up to one of the many cafes we know of. We are regulars thereâ€¦.all the staff know who we are. I walk past Big Joeâ€¦say hiâ€¦shake his handâ€¦.Rachael, one of the waitresses comes up to us and gives us a kiss on the cheekâ€¦..Stevo the manager says hiâ€¦..Kojak, the owner yells out â€śhey boys, back again!â€?â€¦(we call him that cos heâ€™s bald!â€¦.the other waitresses walk past and give us a kiss on the cheek too as they are serving customersâ€¦.Sandra, Jess, Sarah, Abby, Tina and surfer chick Kate (we think she is a lesbian but she is still cool!!!)
Then we sit down at our usual tableâ€¦.and get that usual feelingâ€¦we look around and we are getting hit IOIâ€™s like bombs on Baghdad. Girls from various sets have there eyes on usâ€¦.Can You Say Social Proof!...we know we can sarge any of the girls hereâ€¦.and then it happensâ€¦.we get lazy and say â€śah fuck itâ€¦.lets sarge the guns!â€?â€¦.LOLâ€¦.
I must admit sarging guns is a different challengeâ€¦.its not like usual Game. The techniques varyâ€¦but the routines and theories stay the same. My wings and I have dedicated a lot of time to sarging hired guns...and I have noticed some important concepts. I see a lot of questions relating to sarging hired guns so I feel it is an important topic to discuss. There is not much info in the VAH about it and I honestly believe that there should be. After allâ€¦.a lot of hired guns are babes!
Okâ€¦.so lets go back to basicsâ€¦.The phasesâ€¦Attraction, Comfort and Seduction. As described in the VAH, the timing of these phases exist generically as 30 mins for attraction, 6 hours for comfort and 30 mins for seductionâ€¦.sometimes I do seduction a bit quicker but thatâ€™s only co sim a horny mutha fucker!...so it totals 7 hours. Okâ€¦well for hired guns I use a different time splitâ€¦.and generally my total sarge until F Close is a lot longer than 7 hours.
A1 - Opening
The opening in a hired gun sarge is fake. It occurs for a reason....she needs to take your order...thatâ€™s it. She doesnâ€™t want to socialise, she doesnâ€™t want to fuckâ€¦.although most women when it work would rather be somewhere else with a nice stiff one in them! But remember, she is not coming up to you to initialise a relationship.
Donâ€™t be the boring old ill have a cappuccino and two flat whites thanks...She will barely look at you. You want to get her attention. But its more than usual setsâ€¦at clubs and bars girls are more laid back. At workâ€¦they are uptight and their protection shield is up more.
Iâ€™ve heard a line on the forum here somewhere and I love it...use it all the time....I forgot who posted so I apologise for not mention your name but its like this...hired gun walks up and asks to take your order..."Hi, Iâ€™m Malibu, Ill be your waiter for this evening, can I read you the specials we have today?"...itâ€™s gold!
My wing always runs an opener of some sort before ordering. He is cocky and funnyâ€¦.and says some weird shit sometimesâ€¦.but it always makes the waitress have to think about what she is saying. Sometimes this catches her un aware because she is so used to routine of ordering and serving that it throws her into reverse, shocks her system, and she will remember to keep coming back to you not just for serving you.
Overall....you should still run A1 on them...and make it as far out and as weird as possible...because then they will not forget who you are. Remember though to keep the A1 stage for the first encounter when she comes up to youâ€¦.and thatâ€™s itâ€¦.when she comes back next, run A2.
A2 â€“ Female to Male Interest
This is where things go pear shaped....A2 in hired gun sets suck. When you think youâ€™re getting IOI's...wrong....your not...most of the time youâ€™re getting fake IOI's. See while your being all funny and DHVing and thinking this girl is into me a lot of the time, she is just there to do a job....not show you interest....she is playful towards you because she has to be, not because she is genuinely interested.
Best way I approach this is I run heaps of active disinterest and a few more negs...despite what rating she is...even if she is a 6 I throw negs in. As I mentioned earlier her protection shield is up more...she is thinking "oh my god...yet another cocky customer who wants to try and pick me up because he canâ€™t talk to any of these other girls!"...thatâ€™s what she is thinking.
Donâ€™t use storiesâ€¦or if you do, keep them short and sweet and add short sharp spikes. Better yetâ€¦.have your wing help you out by talking highly of you. â€śOh you know my mate Mystic, guess what kind of job he hasâ€¦.its so out there youâ€™ll never guessâ€¦.he isâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..(insert something funny here!)â€¦â€¦..â€?
A2 is very quick in hired gun sets so keep it simple and donâ€™t fuck around. Keep cocky funny to a minimal, plenty of active disinterest through the use of body language especially and plenty of negs. Make her defend herself a little. You donâ€™t have to worry about her not coming backâ€¦because she works there. It will set up nicely for A3.
A3 â€“ Male to Female Interest
Qualifying her is very important....you need to spend more time in A3 than usual....qualify her fine arse big time or she will flake on you. The rest of the encounter on the first night you meet her should be spent qualifying herâ€¦thatâ€™s a lot of qualifying, so pace it out. Use heaps of BAIT HOOK REEL RELEASE questions.
Be wary though not to come off too needy. I usually keep my body language showing disinterest even while Iâ€™m qualifying her. Why? Once again she is there for a reason. If you show interest too quickly, and her protection shield is up again. I donâ€™t even set up a day 2 on the first nightâ€¦.I know Iâ€™m going to see her againâ€¦..she works there for crying out loadâ€¦.so do rush it.
Get to know her, herself and her interests. Plan out your attack for the next night you see her on the first while youâ€™re qualifying. Itâ€™s a little like running comfort but still qualifying her at the same time. This stage can be make or break. So calibrate yourself to it. Overall, keep showing disinterest, and pace out your qualifying a lot longer than usual. Use more BAIT HOOK questions rather than routines.
Overall the attraction phase is all done at the meeting point....the first time you see her....1-2 minutes for A1 this first time she comes up to you, 2-5 minutes A2 the second and third time she comes up to you and the rest of the time which could be anywhere from 1-2 hours qualifying. Remember even though this seems like a long time, keep in mind that you need to spend longer because A1 and A2 are fakeâ€¦.they donâ€™t really happen like usual plus your mixing a bit of comfort in with a3. Not much, because you still are qualifying her, but the next time she sees you she will be more comfortable with you.
Comfort â€“ Build Rapport and Trust
The next time you see her at her work an every other time until you time bridge to somewhere outside of work...youâ€™re in comfort. Comfort time should be increased....from 5-6 to more like 8-10 hours....why?...because everything run in attraction is shortened except A3 which is similar to comfort anyway....so you need to spend more time in the actual comfort stage. I like to break up C1 as every time you see her at her work before you time bridge elsewhere and C2 as from the time you start to see her outside of her work.
Iâ€™ve also noticed that you should throw some DHV spikes (even though your not in A2) to refresh her attraction switches....remember....she is at work....she is thinking about finishing...not about you....so you need to refresh her memory from time to time.
If in normal game you rush through A1-A3....your bound to end up with flakes...with hired guns its the same...except your guaranteed to see her again...because she works there....so run heaps of comfort....before organising a Day 2 with her.
With the sarges I have had with hired guns I have also noticed a requirement to kiss close. This is very important. Kiss Close her as soon as you get the chance on the time bridge other wise you will LJBF yourself big time.
Not much to comment on with comfort except, Extend the time you comfort to about 8-10 hours, through DHV spikes in constantly to refresh her memory. Run routines like the cube and strawberry fields outside of her workplaceâ€¦i.e. during C2â€¦not C1. And for god sake Kiss Close her. She wants youâ€¦.thatâ€™s why she is seeing you outside of work. So donâ€™t fuck it up by making her wait for a kiss.
For now Ill leave it at that but by all means please ask me heaps of questions in this thread. I know there are heaps more things I can add to this slowly so I will continue to update this with more info as I get questions and overall.