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cms
09-24-2007, 07:54 PM
here's the scene:

i'm sitting on the bench (left end) in the magazine section flipping through a mag, hb 7 passes in front of me picks up girlie mag and sits on other end of four foot bench (right side), watching any iois...hb fixes left side of her hair, hbs body language feet is facing my direction...i'm thinking what's the best opener in this situation. still flipping through the magazine and those fallout mailer cards accidently falls out and perfectly lands right next to her left foot. she immediately bends down and picks up the card and hands it to me. this is where i use my canned material.....(i did not have one ready so afc response w/ "thank you" grin...arrgghh weak!!!) back to my mag flipping and guess what happens again like fate....another fallout mailer card glides like a feather in slow motion and lands perfectly next to her left foot, which she again without hesitation picks it up and smiles at me handing the card waiting for a pua to open her up. the best i come up w/ is "these raskly little things do they even work?" jokingly....ahhh!!! back to afc mode staring at my mag. we've been sitting on the bench next to each other for a good fifteen or so minutes, plenty of time to open up to #close. hb picks up her bag i'm thinking she's about to leave, she reaches in her bag and grabs some lip gloss or something similar and puts on her lips (ioi). she gets up and walks away...i'm thinking she's walking out of my life but she goes to another section on my right and grabs another mag and sits back down to her same spot....great perfect for pua opener. i check the time and i'v gotta to go. missed window of opportunity because i didn't have a canned opener for this situation.
fellow pua community don't let this happen to you and me...let's get this straightened out so i can have a couple of canned material openers for this scenerio. i'll be ready next time, and i guarantee there will be a next time.

keepin the frame strong...

cms
thanks for all those that offer there suggestions

Spanky69
09-24-2007, 08:02 PM
My thoughts:

You don't need anything canned. Just go with the flow.

Ask her what she's reading, or even yet, neg her on how no one reads the mag she has and how she's a dork for doing so.

Or if she's really reading the articles, tell her that she's the first you've seen actually READ a magazine.

Triggerhoppe
09-25-2007, 06:17 AM
In this situation, where she is already next to you and already initiating some form of contact, ANY opener probably would have worked. Tell her you've been having a debate with your friend over whether khaki is a color or a fabric. It doesn't have to be contextual. Alternatively, if you didn't want something canned, tease a little bit about the magazine she's reading. Then banter like no one's business :-)

cms
09-25-2007, 10:07 AM
so...go with a situational opener using the mag as an opening. sounds good, more importantly than what words come out of my mouth but how i carry my body language and tonality across to her. presenting an alpha frame.
when would be a good time to throw in an ftc?
thanks for the suggestions...

Regiment
09-25-2007, 10:21 AM
Saying something is better than saying nothing.

Hell, you could have asked her what she did for the 4th of July... I mean... wtf.

You're going good man... just drill it into your head that you don't care about the outcome.
And you shouldn't.

GypsyTilt
09-28-2007, 08:17 AM
"Why does this always happen to me. How come they dont fall on you?"

HB"Because Blah Blah"

"Oh yeah? Why -blah blah-"

And continue

__The_Raven__
09-28-2007, 08:24 AM
Ok, 2 things:

1) Personally, I think that ur "lack of canned material" was ur mind's way of giving you approach anxiety. You were probably thinking "Oh, well I would approach her BUT i dont know any lines yet so i guess I'll wait till next time."

2) You put off saying something to her, which made things worse. NEVER let your AA build. It will eventually overtake you. As people before me said, you must say something. ANYTHING. She was giving you an invitation and you failed. However, this isnt the end. Its a learning experience. So what? You blew a set. Move on. You will get another opportunity with another girl, I promise.

Game on.

--Raven

silversixone
09-28-2007, 07:29 PM
Lots of good advice. You could go direct: "I'm dropping these so we'll have something to talk about." Lots of ways to skin this cat.


Silver

cms
09-30-2007, 01:16 PM
["Why does this always happen to me. How come they dont fall on you?"
HB"Because Blah Blah"
"Oh yeah? Why -blah blah-"
And continue]
thanks sbrugby, keeping it simple "situational opener" can transition to, you must be and expert in reading magazines so what other interesting talents do you have? then stack...i'll log this into my memory bank as a canned material , then from there i can improvise into the next phases. most importantly i get past the opener...

yeah raven...there's that saying "analysis paralysis" or something which probably got me since there's an endless amount of plays in the playbook.

silversixone, "direct opener" if she bought it would have put me in the qual. phase which is possible as long as the rest of my game is tight...

tony77
10-02-2007, 04:36 AM
You want to convey alpha body language? Just lean back and take up space! You live in your own reality and everyone else is a guest in your reality. In day game I find situational openers the best to use then you cna go into a story or routine. I was in a bookshop last night and I opened this girl by the fitness mags and just said to her while picking up a bodybuilding magazine "hey do you think he looks sexy?" and she said "ewwww god no" and I turned away but she was still talking to me as I was turning away!

Never underestimate the power of observation, notice everythng, the environment, the place you;re in, the 2 for 1 sale in the shop, what she is wearing, what she is doing, what she is reading? etc

You could also open cocky funny "hey if you're goign to sit near me please don't make any noise some of us avid readers of Big tits monthly are trying to read"

Or you can say "hey keep the noise down I'm trying to read my porno mag"

GypsyTilt
10-02-2007, 03:05 PM
cms and I are on the same page here. Honestly, I am an unknowing student of David DeAngelo. I am natural in the C+F lifestyle (goes with my big ass mouth at the poker table I guess). What I would say (I doubt this works for you since you have some AA issues).

"How comes that keeps happening? Maybe I need magazine classes. You look like a pro! You're my new magazine reading mentor."

I gnt she will laugh! If she doesnt, than you're not delivering it right, or she is dead...either way oh well. I agree with tony. You need to understand, that everyone in your life is a guest. Here is a good frame (this is my poker frame, works well).

Everyone around me is my guest. This is my table (life) and I am table (life) captain. If I want them gone, I felt them (get rid of them). They are all trying to get into the club that is me (or get some of my $$). I am the god and they are my pawns, I manipulate, they exist because I allow them. If I need them gone, they are gone, their chips are mine (I'll leave with no regrets).

likeumm
07-12-2008, 04:59 PM
situational
"they should keep a trash can in the magazine section for these stupid things"

the trash would be full of them

"is it really necessary to put 15 order forms in each magazine"
how often do people send them in anyways

personally i use one for a bookmark and throw the rest away
(think of your experiences with them...)

M I I< E
07-13-2008, 06:44 AM
I would have (when the cards dropped) said laughingly that I've been dropping shit all day and make up a story about an interesting clumbsy thing that happened earlier that day when I was doing something that a high value male would be doing like rock climbing or something. Perfect conversation opener... moved right into attraction.

Jeremy Soul
07-22-2008, 03:36 AM
The longer you wait to open her, the more nervous you get. Dive into the deep end of that cold pool my friend and you quickly adjust to the temperature.

Wait and think about what might happen and you'll be shivering your nuts off for eternity outside it.

soul