Need advice - contacted after LJBF'd

[skypirate1965]

Originally Posted by Zen1

I think that you did a great job in pushing through on the second day and trying to kino. Your persistence and balls will be very helpful for you in the future.
I read that it's very difficult for a guy to get out of "friends zone". This case was a good example.

Thanks for the comments. Prior to reading any PU material I thought I could be-friend and talk my way into their bed. I now realise that's utterly ridiculous.

The worst thing about the LJBF zone is that men will keep themselves there based on that false notion that if they hang in there they may get some action.

Recently all women that have LJBF'd me I have walked away/let go. I may hold onto the next few as I do need to improve my social circle. I'd be using these women as a stepping stone and it's an aspect of game I've never tried. I'd also treat *them* as the shoulder to cry on. I've been on the receiving end and it's not much fun. LJBF maybe useful if handled right...not to game them but other women.

[charly26]

Your stories my friends are so useful. I dated this girl for some time, and after she LJBF'ed me, she started missing me and we stablish contact where there was some cool makeout. But I make the mistakes of looking to available to her and kinda of expressing feeling too early on. Now its like she'd be in control and decides what happens. As David D says, its important to keep the tension and not stop meeting and dating other chicks. Now, I plan to be a little aloof to her and make her come for some after she realises i'm not being needy again. l'll let u know guys the outcome

[Rodzilla]

Skypirate, a movie? Come on man you know better than that. She was interested in you until you did the same boring thing everyone else does. You reaffirmed in her head why she stopped "dating" you the first time... boorring....

You needed to treat that as a day 2 with high energy and loads of fun and excitement....

Live and learn my friend.

[skypirate1965]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla

Skypirate, a movie? Come on man you know better than that. She was interested in you until you did the same boring thing everyone else does. You reaffirmed in her head why she stopped "dating" you the first time... boorring....

You needed to treat that as a day 2 with high energy and loads of fun and excitement....

Live and learn my friend.

Good point about the movie being a standard/normal thing to do --- but I really like movies. I guess I have to nix that and keep it as a private thing to do...or work it so that I can see a movie/DVD with girls/women at their place!

This isn't a criticism of you - why do you think women don't want to be treated in a boring standard way yet won't even raise one word against the idea? Social conditioning? Do they think along the lines of - "I'll go along with this lame idea maybe he'll surprise me...".

Food for thought. I could set things so they look like they will be a typical dinner-date-movie scenario and surprise them by doing something different at the last moment. Or maybe I need to meet a ballsy woman who will say - "That idea is shit! Think of something better"

Anyway I agree ... live and learn.

[Rodzilla]

Skypirate, it's like this.

Say you meet 5 women, all of similar beauty. Lets say they are 9's for this example. You have dates with all 5. the 1st 4 of them you go to a movie with. Decent movies, usual chit chat and a drink after, let's even go as far as to say you take all 4 of these women home with you and make it happen. Each women in her own way says she had fun and she doesn't normally get that wild, but she would love to go to dinner with you next week.

Now, women number 5 says, there is this band she wants to see. You go to a club you've never been to before. You meet a bunch of cool people. The band blows you away. You go to an after party with the band and meet a whole bunch of other cool people and are having the time of your life. Women number 5 pulls you into the bathroom and has her way with you doing all sorts of awesome shit and really blows your f'ing mind. You go back to her place at 6 in the morning and tear it up again. Women 5 says that was an unbelievable night and she wants to see you again. She knows of another band that is better than the one you saw last night and they are playing another local club you've never been to next Friday night and you simple must go with her.

Now I ask you, which of these 5 women are you going to want to see again and why?

Hope this answers you question my friend.

[mike5555]

My answer would be all 5 as long as that make it happen part was included but, I get your point

[skypirate1965]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla

Skypirate, it's like this.

Say you meet 5 women, all of similar beauty. Lets say they are 9's for this example. You have dates with all 5. the 1st 4 of them you go to a movie with. Decent movies, usual chit chat and a drink after, let's even go as far as to say you take all 4 of these women home with you and make it happen. Each women in her own way says she had fun and she doesn't normally get that wild, but she would love to go to dinner with you next week.

Now, women number 5 says, there is this band she wants to see. You go to a club you've never been to before. You meet a bunch of cool people. The band blows you away. You go to an after party with the band and meet a whole bunch of other cool people and are having the time of your life. Women number 5 pulls you into the bathroom and has her way with you doing all sorts of awesome shit and really blows your f'ing mind. You go back to her place at 6 in the morning and tear it up again. Women 5 says that was an unbelievable night and she wants to see you again. She knows of another band that is better than the one you saw last night and they are playing another local club you've never been to next Friday night and you simple must go with her.

Now I ask you, which of these 5 women are you going to want to see again and why?

Hope this answers you question my friend.

Good points. I've got in a rut and need to try new things.